With all the uncertainty over the AstraZeneca version, where does your comfort level fall?
With the govt flip flopping back and forth regarding what age group it's safe for, wtf is a person to think is safe for them?
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With all the uncertainty over the AstraZeneca version, where does your comfort level fall?
With the govt flip flopping back and forth regarding what age group it's safe for, wtf is a person to think is safe for them?
Honestly Rick I am not keen on the 16 week extension- those fuckers let the medical community run the country for the last year and decided to take control on the most important decision- I will be the last person vaccinated and will only do the one dose...
When it was announced two weeks ago I was eligible, before I was even aware received phone calls from two different family members alerting me to possible issue for peeps either susceptible or currently dealing with blood clot issues. Quick Google search and I was thinking there's no way I'm stepping up and getting poked (currently dealing with current / post Pulmonary embolism issues). Now they've flopped saying safe for those over 55 reporting most issues for women of that age or younger with a staggering mortality rate if they do have an issue. There are times I can almost tolerate the govt talking outta 16 sides of the same mouth but this ain't it.
As a retired public health officer, it's difficult for me to say this, but I'm waiting till the dust settles. Like you said above, too many flip-flops and with my past strokes, I don't want to chance it. If I was working, that opinion might change. It might also change if I was located in an area where a lot of people don't give a f*** and the chance of catching covid is higher. I am content with my current prevention practices and I try to stay away from people.
My son will be getting the vaccine since his nursing program requires it in order to complete his 4th year. Our health Unit is using the Moderna vaccine
I am not in the least interested in getting any of them
Birth control pills have a higher record of blood clot complications than any of the COVID vaccines, yet they are administered freely.
However..... if I had a history of blood clots, I would be very cautious and seek professional medical advice, not internet speculation.
My personal comfort level is high as I’ve never had any adverse reactions to traditional medications/vaccines.
My wife has had the Moderna (along with all her co-workers and all the seniors in their retirement facility (independent living/retirement community).....maybe 250 people between employees and seniors (and I believe all the other homes in their national network has received the vaccine with no issues - they're one of the large national companies in the retirement plus LTC homes business so thousands of employees and seniors), my friend's senior parent's and brother have had the Pfizer shots, and some doctors/healthcare workers in our family, with no issues. I would personally be fine with either Moderna or Pfizer. I'd be hesitant about Astra Zeneca given the related news but that said, I'm not in any high risk/co-morbidity groups so push come to shove I'd probably be fine with it although preference is with the first two.
I have no underlying health issues, but I think I’m gonna wait till dust settles as well. I don’t trust information we are being given-to much bs has been thrown around.
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Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by R3troGT
+1 totally agree with Mav on this one. I don’t really trust anything being fed to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by mavrrrick
Once I am forced to go get it (once work travel resumes) then I will only consider the Moderna or Pfizer options.
I think its absolutely Stupid that so many younger healthy people have been given any vaccine just because they "work" in the health care field (many who are in administration and work from home, and are no where near any patients) while people like my Mom who is in her 60's and had type two diabetes and is still currently dealing with cancer bullshit, is being told that she is not yet eligible.
I also think its absolute bullshit that so many people who where standing up and preaching how we all need to make sacrifices, justifying bankrupting thousands of people with lockdowns with not a single care for the lives or livelihoods of the business owners effected, saying repeatedly to trust the health experts, over a virus with an extremely low mortality rate for the majority of the population are now refusing to take a vaccine, that has an extremely low mortality rate, going against what the health experts are saying. which is only going to prolong this for everyone.
nothing like putting on a mask and locking down, both things that statistical did very little to stop the spread around the world. but refuse to take the vaccine that can actually fix this
I got the Moderna shot yesterday. No issues s far.
I'm comfortable with getting it and glad to do my part to crush this horrible virus. Looking forward to shaking everyone's hand again over a pint or coffee.
Just to be clear here. The Vaccines DO NOT prevent you from getting or spreading Covid. They reduce your risk and reduce the severity of the virus if you happen to catch it. Get the Vaccine if you want. Still be cautious.
What's your source for this? My understanding is the studies are still on-going with respect to COVID transmission with vaccinated individuals.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluetoy
Ok I misread that page. I have seen it in other studies. The vaccine is not 100% effective and doesn't guarantee you will not catch or transmit Covid. Get the vaccine. It does not mean you are immune. Message here is be careful even if you get the shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by G-ForceJunkie
Here read this one. Don't run around and think you are immune and are not a threat to others. It's not there yet. It's a start.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/...-2021032522230
It's the same with all vaccines.
Where on that page does it say getting the vaccine will NOT “prevent you from getting or spreading Covid”?
I smell a black flag coming. Lol
Naw, aw, don’t do that. It was a serious question. I read the entire Health Canada page listed, and I must of missed the part about the Covid vaccine not preventing you from contracting the disease. I mean, it’s kinda what vaccines do, otherwise what’s the point?
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A vaccine is a biological preparation that provides active acquired immunity to a particular infectious disease.[1] A vaccine typically contains an agent that resembles a disease-causing microorganism and is often made from weakened or killed forms of the microbe, its toxins, or one of its surface proteins. The agent stimulates the body's immune system to recognize the agent as a threat, destroy it, and to further recognize and destroy any of the microorganisms associated with that agent that it may encounter in the future.
The effectiveness of vaccination has been widely studied and verified
No vaccine is 100% effective. They are saying that the covid vaccine is about 95% effective. So that means that 5% of us will not be protected and can catch the disease. If the vaccine is effective for a person, that person can still spread it to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedSN
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/corona...-why-1.5259495
95% efficacy is outstanding.
Most flu vaccines are around 40%-60%
You’d have to catch it from an anti-vaxer, because the rest of us 95 percenters wouldn’t have the virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Fart
My wife is a labour and delivery nurse and has got the Pfizer shots. She is but felt a little more on the tires side for a while afterwards. She really researched it and talked to many friends that are doctors. After that she felt it was a good choice to get it. I really think everyone needs to try and do there part but you need to do what works best for you. I will get one when I can to try and help get things back to somewhat normal.
A co worker of mine got it from a guy he does side jobs with. His entire family immediately got it from him. He said it was the worst 2 weeks of his life. He’ll get the vaccine when he can to not go though that again.
yes no vaccine is 100% effective. but what other virus to we vaccinate people for and then still force them to stay home? influenza vaccines are usualy around only 60% effective however we dont force people to stay away from care homes and hospitals once they have been injected.
its 100% idiocy and anti science for governments to keep people restricted after they get the shot. and likewise for people to not get the shot if available.
and our government today talking about posable lockdowns again.
the single best way to promote and increase vaccine hesitancy is to keep people locked up after they get the shot. what's the point in the shot them?
worst part is EVERY SINGLE death from these new variances that are effecting people younger than the base virus is 100% the fault of our idiot government and every single person that defended and promoted lockdowns. having caught the virus is proving to be as good if not better than the vaccine and had then just let the younger low risk population live their lives the first time. those people would now have a built in immunity to these more dangerous variants. this is what happens when we ignore the science and the medical experts that are actually in the field working in favor of political driven idiots.
Thank you. Your edit is much more clear and concise about getting your point across. The point is well taken: until there is a larger number of vaccinated people there is still a risk (because no vaccine is 100%). This risk goes way down as more people are vaccinated, but until then, stay the course.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluetoy
from your new link:
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Many more people need to be vaccinated before we achieve sufficient community immunity. Until that happens, you still can pass the virus to others, even if you are fully vaccinated.
Where did you get that figure from?Quote:
Originally Posted by 5.4MarkVIII
based on Israel's real world numbers after a set number of days and one shot they are seeing a 90 % efficiency and something like a 95% drop in deaths.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedSN
so based on the science there is no reason for the government to keep a vaccinated person under restrictions. doing so only causes people to not bother getting vaccinated. there for it's 100% idiocy and 100% anti science.
how many people here saying they would not get the vaccine would change their mind if it meant life as usual once they had it?
i remember when being an anti vaxer was a bad thing
There's still too many unanswered questions surrounding the circumstances but everyone has closed their minds on vaccination - i.e. why aren't old people in homes aloud out - why are we building a vaccine facility when in it won't be needed when its complete - why do vaccinated still need masks - is it going to be a yearly process - if you listen to what the leaders aren't telling us it raises a lot of uncertainty - to have someone without credentials who has nothing but time on their hands to read all the bs from around the world all day, then call everyone else an idiot cause for some reason their understanding supersedes the rest and trumps all is kinda Trump like.
No interest in an emergency vaccine
I’m old enough to remember when people where called idiots and intelligence was questioned right here in this site for questioning masks and lockdowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by hammerhead
Now those same people are saying they won’t take a vaccine that has far better science backing it than masks and lock downs did.
Call it Tump like but I’m tired of the bs hypocrisy where it’s okay for some people do do something but not okay for others.
The science backs the vaccines if people don’t want them then fine but then we need to end this mask and lock down BS and let people get back to their lives.
I haven't had any vaccine in the last 40 years. Not starting now.
My sister has received the Moderna (she is a personal support worker), my mother in law received Moderna (nurse) and my wife's grandfather (96) also received Moderna. My sister had some issues with her arm for a day or so, potentially because of an auto-immune disease she has. Other than that, no issues
As someone with an underlying respiratory issue waiting to have major surgery at Toronto General, I can only hope as many people get this vaccine as possible to limit this third wave and relieve the congestion in the ICU's to allow surgical wards to re-open
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...high-1.5970884
this morning on the news a gentleman received one shot and was informed his second dose will be a different brand (he was ok with that) - how is that possible - will they react - 16 weeks between shots - just seems to shoot from the hip for me - I will wait cause if the USA won't approve the astrazeneca but feel it's ok for Canadians I will wait - It's sad the hospital situation, but that wasn't caused from antivaxxers and the roll out is typical of the speed of our government to get things done...not sure why when things open up the hospital rate and cases climb - must be a fluke
Here's my .02. Getting the vaccine is a personal choice and everyone has different reasons for getting or not getting it. Which brand, side effects and availability are all factors. I think it should not be anyone else's business. If you get vax and I don't what difference does it make to you? you are vaxed and wont get sick from me (maybe) and if I get sick from you it's my business. Same goes opposite. If I get vax and you don't it doesn't matter to me. Since I'm fairly safe. If I give it to you well thats your problem. Calling people names and stuff is nonsense. Best idea right here ----> Turn off the news. Stay away from people. Live your life.
P.S. Glad to have you back 5.4MarkVIII
funny thing is i agree with you 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by bluetoy
All I'm doing is acting the exact same way other people were acting when it came to mask and lockdown conversations on this site.
when there was conversations about masks and if they were effective. I remember some people saying that it is a free country and that it should be personal choice. I was told freedom doesn't trump the greater good of the health of others. there were multiple comments regarding intelligence ect. comments about antimaskers. I'm pretty sure there were also comments linking it to conspiracy theories and Qanon.
but now when the situation is reversed. people have a problem with those kind of comments.
if someone is anti mask and anti lockdown and anti vaccine, then i have no issue there, as there is consistency
I have issue with the people that were pro mask and pro lockdown but now not willing to do the one thing that will actually make a difference. sacrifice should not be a one way street.
as for being back... we shall see. i check in every now and then. this post dragged me in. we shall see if the ban hammer starts swinging again
in regards to the icu and hospital numbers
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this is the graph taken directly from Ontario's website. the black line is the ICU numbers. they are not relaying all the info (surprise)
what I was told, from someone who has been working in an ICU with Covid patents. Some people go into the hospital and get on a ventilator for a few days and then get better and move out. However there are a large number of elderly people who, due to the severity of their illness or underlying condition, are not leaving the hospital. They have been left in a state where they cannot return to the care home they were in due to ventilator requirements or other health reasons. Sadly they will most likely remain in the ICU or hospital until they pass. They no longer have the virus and are not contagious but since Covid was the reason for them being immitted, they remain on the count for Covid ICU and hospitalization counts.
apparently ICU capacity is currently only around 20% but the lockdown talk has begun again
I've been watching with Durham Region COVID data reports since the beginning of the Pandemic. In particular the hospitalizations and deaths. There was a slight spike in both during the "2nd wave", but things normalized again. As for deaths, the young people dying has been less then one handful and people 50-69...a total of 26. The oldest bracket 70-95+ have taken the hardest hit (common knowledge). This in a population of 642,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5.4MarkVIII
Government projections (worst case) have never been even close when it comes to cases/day and hospitalizations.
On the vaccination front, I'm undecided. I'm old school...what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger, and I doubt this will be the last of the virus' we all have to worry/contend with. In fact, the gov't has already indicated a yearly shot may become necessary/recommended.
My daughter works in the hospital and has had two shots, both Pfizer. 1st shot, no side affects whatsoever, 2nd shot, she felt fatigued and also had some chills and a sore arm for about 24 hrs. and was then fine.
Anyone else think its interesting that the government decided that they new better then Pfizer/Moderna when it came to just issuing a single shot....and delaying the 2nd beyond what the companies themselves said?
I’d have to look back but if I recall correctly both Pfizer and moderna. Came back and said that real world testing was showing that one shot was good enough for something like 85-90% efficiency and that the second shot would give the 95 plus and could be given as far as 4-6 months away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gr8Stang
IMO this was the move that should have been made sooner.
Yes ideal situation both shots within the best case scenario time frame but since our government is a cluster fuck and the whole roll out thing has been a fail on both provincial and federal levels.
One shot in twice the people is far better right now. Worse case there if they don’t get the other one In time is there person has fairly good immunity right now and then just need to get both shots again later once we know for sure how long the immunity lasts for. By then hopefully supply has caught up.
Got mine today. No side effects so far but expect the arm to get a bit sore much like a flu shot. Went to Markham as the schedule here in Newmarket was full. Pfizer was on offer. Staff at the Aaniin Community Center was great. Wait time was minimal. In at 3:40 out at 4:00.
Toronto's ICU cases has not fluctuated much of anything these past couple of weeks/months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabe
https://www.toronto.ca/home/covid-19...es-in-toronto/
I think this is what is driving more antivax ideology than anything else. The numbers they show and preach on the news is contradicted by simply following the numbers on a semi daily basis.
My gf got the Pfizer vaccine as a health care worker. They pushed back the second dose...ridiculous. I'm waiting for a chance at the Pfizer or Moderna since I'm front line as well and essential. I will not take my chances with the Astra vac. Reports show the Pfizer vaccine is very effective in younger persons without adverse effects.
But we can go back and say the Gov fucked up in locking the country down back in March 2020... Should have had a big lock down super tight long enough to get the vaccines before the cases quadrupled. Now with cases going up again i think vaccines are late as fuck...saved people, yes but with reports showing even younger, super healthy adults getting covid and being morbidly affected by it / dying from it is scary. We need more Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for the younger, dumber/narcissistic population that is still partying and congregating, no masking, not social distancing etc.