But why include it at all in a discussion about the harm or benefits of legalizing pot in Canada? Why go there? How old are we... 10?
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But why include it at all in a discussion about the harm or benefits of legalizing pot in Canada? Why go there? How old are we... 10?
my thoughts on legalizing pot:
can't say I ever remember 2 guys throwing haymakers at each other outside of a bar at 2am because they had too much to smoke
if it's grown, sold etc under the eyes of the gov't...chances are you'll get better and consistent quality than whatever the creepy dude is selling outta the stairwells of the housing projects
taking the petty criminal element outta the whole recreational dope smoking deal will likely save us a few bucks on the courts and policing side...and probably make a few legit taxable bucks on the business side
I'm sure the 3 levels of gov't will likely staff-up and instead of this venture saving taxpayers a few bucks....it will cost us more
I'm sure on the tech side....there will inevitably be some gadget developed to detect what's determined as an impaired level of THC for criminal driving charges comparable to a breathalyzer detecting BAC
no skin off my nose either way....was never something I really got into.....if/when it passes and you're a guest in my house and that's your thing....twist up a fatty and I'll hand you an ashtray if you're not driving.....but I highly doubt that my wife and I will be stocking up for the weekends
Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow View Post
Legalization:
Taking a creepy guy off the streets trying to get your kids to use it - it is definitely not for kids
Because leagalization has prevented under age drinking and smokin right.
So not legalizing will prevent under age drinking and smoking?
The pesticide event I described above is another reason for legalization. Although this was a failure Health Canada has instituted remedies and the companies are subject of a lawsuit....try suing the Hells Angles.
Moot point. Lots of products are subject to recalls from contamination. Food included.
Millions of illegal dollars going who knows where not taxed as income as it should.
When the government sells it and taxes the crap out of it. Do you honestly beleave that the illigal sales will stop? They will still sell it at a cheaper price and people will still buy it.
The selling price has already been determined and is far less than the street price (Price to veterans has been capped at $8.50 per gram)
There are many new ventures being researched and produced that requires a supply of good cannabis not affected by moods and pesticides. Some of these projects require the remnants of the plant. One such research is at a large university developing a product that will attack the algae blooms in Lake Erie.
Obviously your research on the benefits of oils is lacking. Try looking at what Israel is doing, along with many other countries.....so if it's cold in Canada there must not be climate change elsewhere.
North American research is underway and not complete, but that doesn't mean other research is not conclusive.
For all of the above this has nothing to do with legalization. Reaserch companies and universities get grants and permission to deal with dangerous and illigal stuff all the time. It dosnt have to be legal to smoke for them to reaserch and learn what other benifits it may or may not have.
12 year old Windsor girl cured of leukaemia, British Columbia girl's seizures reduce from 300 a day to 3 per day, both because of cannabinol oils.
There has also been cases where people with teminal cancer have miraculous been cured. With no intervention at all.
The instances you state are far less than the ones I state.
I have also read cases that talk about how Cannabis cured cancer when the person taking the cannabis was also undergoing radiation as. Chemo. So what cured it?
Far more instances of cancer patients treated with chemo dying than surviving...extra few months is not surviving in my books.
Fact if IF it did the things Leila claim the pharmaceutical companies would be making millions off of it like they are with other drugs (drugs that are also illigal to take recreationally.)
Pharmaceutical Companies can not make money off it as it can not be synthesized nor can it be Patented.
It's there but people against cannabis want it ignored.
FINALLY. Your saying the exact same things about cannabis legalization that was said 100 years ago about alcohol. Go back and examine that history and you will see an almost identical progression with cannabis.
Alcohol is bad for you. So is aspartame The only reason it's legal is because of the government monopoly any revinew off of it. Dosnt make it right.
But also has absolutely nothing to do with cannabis.
The point was that the plant and alcohol have been around for centuries if not eons....so history repeats itself.
Would be true if taxation in Canada had occurred when alcohol was legalized. Taxation didn't occur until the first world war after prohibition was lifted.
Because remember there was a time where people claimed alcohol cured ailments. So much for that fact eh.
Alcohol is not an issue as long as you don't become an alcoholic......Your going to sit there and tell me you don't drink?
You haven't given one reason not to legalize cannabis.
What no answer for this one? Interesting
Like it or not it WILL be legalized, just like alcohol was and life will go on.
We are too uptight about this - there are demonstrated benefits to the use of this product (including milder side effects than other pharma or recreational products). It will benefit the legal system and allow for police focus on real crime concerns (bad for the US who profits by putting people in jail), provide a better quality regulated product, and help divert money from organized crime.
If it helps put a dent into the 1.3 trillion deficit our amazing guvs have put us in I'm all for it.
Colorado with only 5.5 million people saw 1.3 billion in sales last year.
That could be a serious amount of money for the country.
In the end I thinks is laughable and hypocritical that people and governments spent years condemning and trying to stop people from smoking tobacco and then just turn around and want to legalize pot.
Or the record. Didn't state that it should not benlegalozed because of its harmful side effect.
Never said I don't drink. But. The difference right now is it's legal to drink. And in moderation drinking won't give you cancer unlike smoking. That includes both tobacco and cigarettes
Alcohol is also not addictive in the sense that drugs like tobacco and pot are. Causing withdrawal and the person taking it the need to take it again.
I disagree with legalizing something for no reason other than because people want it and the government wants to make money. I'd love to be able to slap stupid people. And I'm more than willing to pay a tax for the opertunity. But that dosnt mea assault should be made legal.
I don't even side with the argument that at least it will help pay for stuff because we all know that our governments are useless when it comes to any sore to commen sense or money management. The more this tax makes the more they will spend above and beyond.
And then what happens when we realize that it indeed causes cancer. Then we have more cost to tax payers for treatment.
You talk about my arguments against being just like those against alcohol. But in reality your arguments for are just like those years ago in factor of harmless cigarettes. How many millions of people have Dies due to harmless cigarettes?
Dave's not here ,,man