Ont Liberals should be proud.

[ZR]

Greenhouse growers in Kingsville are choosing to expand operations outside of Canada because of rising hydro rates.
After operating in the region for 45 years, owners at Mucci Farms are building a new greenhouse in Ohio, saying the cost of being in Ontario is just too high.


Hydro costs slashing profits of Windsor region businesses (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/windsor-hydro-costs-businesses-1.3868479)
High hydro forces restaurant owner to shut down (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/hydro-prices-business-closure-1.3865119)

Bert Mucci would prefer to expand his business in the region, but hydro rates continue to rise. Instead, the business will stay in the region, while building their new U.S. operation.
"If we had competitive electricity rates, we would be doubling our production here," he said.
As the winter months approach, greenhouse growers are firing up their lights, and that means hydro costs are about to become even more grim.
"We are paying one of the highest rates in North America," Mucci said. "It's causing us to move out of Ontario right now."
Mucci Farms has paid up to 18 cents per kilowatt, but the company can get hydro for 6 cents a kilowatt in Ohio.
"The only thing in Ohio that's making it the most effective is the electricity costs," he said. "We have the best of the best here."

[mavrrrick]

Way to go liberals, business now leaving....and Ohio probably buy their electricity from us. We were once Canada's power house, now Canada's biggest joke. Thanks again liberals!!!

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[2006-R/T_420]

liberals, and there supporter base will never ever get it.

[stangstevers]

I wonder why they didn't go to Quebec with Canada's lowest electricity rates (I believe)? If the USA, why Ohio, plenty of year round growing sun in other states too...

It's amazing that 13% of people think she/it is doing a good job lol

[RedSN]

Just putting this out there, not trying to paint a Liberal target on my back, but.......

Ontario vs. Ohio

Ontario: 58% nuclear, 22% hydro, 10% gas, 9% wind.
https://www.cns-snc.ca/media/ontarioelectricity/ontarioelectricity.html

Ohio: 59% coal, 23% gas, 14% nuclear.
http://www.puco.ohio.gov/puco/index.cfm/be-informed/consumer-topics/how-does-ohio-generate-electricity/#sthash.vY1zL17k.dpbs


Obviously it's cheaper to generate power from coal, but sooner or later they will have to join the 21st century.
And excellent point Steve, if the price of electricity was their governing factor for moving, why not consider Quebec? Probably other factors contributing to their choice.

[stangstevers]

I think there's more the story than high hydro rates yeah! I don't know the numbers but the cost of selling a commercial property, buying another, structures, permits, moving, etc... Plus the low CAD value.

Min wage in Ohio is 8 bucks and 11.40 in Ontario... Who knows but unless profit margins are razor thin? I can't judge. Even at a million kilowatts, isn't the difference just 100 grand?

[5.4MarkVIII]

I believe a lot of states are also offering pretty large discounts to taxes and water ect to entice manufacturing

[5.4MarkVIII]

Just putting this out there, not trying to paint a Liberal target on my back, but.......

Ontario vs. Ohio

Ontario: 58% nuclear, 22% hydro, 10% gas, 9% wind.
https://www.cns-snc.ca/media/ontarioelectricity/ontarioelectricity.html

Ohio: 59% coal, 23% gas, 14% nuclear.
http://www.puco.ohio.gov/puco/index.cfm/be-informed/consumer-topics/how-does-ohio-generate-electricity/#sthash.vY1zL17k.dpbs


Obviously it's cheaper to generate power from coal, but sooner or later they will have to join the 21st century.
And excellent point Steve, if the price of electricity was their governing factor for moving, why not consider Quebec? Probably other factors contributing to their choice.


http://www.worldcoal.org/reducing-co2-emissions/high-efficiency-low-emission-coal

Yes I realize that it's from the world coal association website. Lol
But an industry that sees the writing on the wal will be forced to make changes.
Coal is cheap and plentiful so if technology can bring down the emissions. It doesn't have to be a bad thing.

Thing is co can be scrubbed. This technology is available (expensive because its new) but with time and improvements that will change.
Compare this to nuclear which has a bi product we can't do anything with other than bury it.

The earth itself given time can remove co pollution. But nuclear waist is a different story

[mavrrrick]

liberals, and there supporter base will never ever get it.
I've supported them in the past, but not the last 2 jack asses.

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[R3troGT]

Just wait for the Carbon Tax

[83 5.0]

I suspect Quebec has higher taxes, language laws that might be impactful. Ohio isn't all that far from Niagara.
Maybe they are going to supply the US market, and easier to do from within its borders.

[stangstevers]

yeah law 101 is stupid... I mean really stupid. I remember some PQ or maybe even FLQ idiot started to scream at a poor worker there that the sign was only English "Payless". She and others yelled back that they offer good jobs for people and escorted him out. I bet he filed a complaint to the language police that day. I also remember said language police come into my work place and started giving my boss shit for using ENGLISH operating systems on our Macs (I think OS7 or OS9 back then). My boss chased them out with a baseball bat (no joke), we later drank some beers and smoke some weed in the factory (factory closed at 4pm, offices at 6ish, so at 4:20 we got stupid, that was a fun job).

Loi 101, c'est pour les criss de caves! :D

[Mellow Yellow]

I suspect Quebec has higher taxes, language laws that might be impactful. Ohio isn't all that far from Niagara.
Maybe they are going to supply the US market, and easier to do from within its borders.

Ohio is definitely much closer to where this greenhouse would have been located. 40 minutes to Windsor; 45 minutes to Ohio border.

[GT350Stevie]

Just putting this out there, not trying to paint a Liberal target on my back, but.......

Ontario vs. Ohio

Ontario: 58% nuclear, 22% hydro, 10% gas, 9% wind.
https://www.cns-snc.ca/media/ontarioelectricity/ontarioelectricity.html

Ohio: 59% coal, 23% gas, 14% nuclear.
http://www.puco.ohio.gov/puco/index.cfm/be-informed/consumer-topics/how-does-ohio-generate-electricity/#sthash.vY1zL17k.dpbs


Obviously it's cheaper to generate power from coal, but sooner or later they will have to join the 21st century.
And excellent point Steve, if the price of electricity was their governing factor for moving, why not consider Quebec? Probably other factors contributing to their choice.
Remember Quebec has high taxes. Just my two cents. [emoji111]

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[WTF]

AG report

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/kelly-mcparland-ag-reveals-ontarios-curly-larry-and-moe-school-of-government-stoogery

the level of waste and incompetence is fucking infuriating

[ZR]

They've managed to do absolutely nothing correctly..............besides flush money down the proverbial toilet.


http://www.harmanstoves.com/~/media/Images/Blog%20Images/Posts/Headers/ToiletMoney_607x297.ashx

[ZR]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cIg_lIbA8qc/UYCQ59J6q5I/AAAAAAAAQ4A/WIkeHUsaPZU/s1600/ontario+license+plate2.jpg

[stangstevers]

Craving some popcorn

[mavrrrick]

Ya... great shit show!!!

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[ZR]

Business's just plain can't afford to operate in Ontario anymore.

Byron Nelson has spent over three decades growing his manufacturing company in Ontario, only now to regret his choice.
As he tours a group of reporters around his Leland Industries Scarborough plant where they build nuts and bolts for export to the United States and Europe, he explains he’s losing a battle with the province. His hydro bills have soared over the past year and with Ontario’s new cap-and-trade system coming into effect next month, electricity and natural gas costs will likely spike by another 20%.
That’s why Nelson — and other manufacturers in the province — are choosing to expand their businesses in the U.S. instead of at home.
“By 1995 to 2000, China had moved in and we fought China on the world trade and won,” Nelson said Tuesday during a press conference of the newly formed Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers in Ontario.
“Now our bigger problem is we’ve got to fight the province on controlling some of our hydro costs, which have totally skyrocketed. Our electricity bill has already increased 42% over the past few years. I’ve done the math and I’m looking at a cost increase that is going to take it to over $800,000 a year and with cap-and-trade, it’ll be near $1 million.”
Nelson said it’s these costs — which he says hasn’t been clearly mapped out by the government — that make it difficult for local manufacturers to survive, especially when these companies have already spent significant dollars reducing their environmental footprint.
And while companies within the coalition don’t intend to lay off workers, they won’t be building in Ontario anymore. Leland Industries will make its next move in Illinois and other states until the province improves its energy policy.
The coalition demands the government outline a better energy policy — and transparency on hydro and natural gas bills so they know where their money is going, said spokesman Jocelyn Williams Bamford, who is also the vice-president of Automatic Coating Ltd. in Scarborough.
The Ministry of the Environment and Climate Change counters the cap and trade program won’t have a “significant impact” to electricity rates and some of the money from it will be used to offset electricity price increases by 2020.
The province added its Industrial Conservation Incentive program allows up to 1,000 new businesses to reduce their electricity bills by up to one-third.

[Harbinger]

Lmao they still make millions. Shouldn't deter them from staying. The top execs are already swimming in pools of money

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[ZR]

Profit or loss is not the point, industry will look / relocated / invest elsewhere and jobs will continue to fall by the wayside under this Liberal abomination. Why would they continue to invest here when they can reduce operating costs by hundreds of thousands of dollars on their electricity bill only?

[5.4MarkVIII]

Lmao they still make millions. Shouldn't deter them from staying. The top execs are already swimming in pools of money

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Ever looked at a boss and said no thanks I don't want a raise. I'm happy with how much I make.

So what they make lots. It's human nature to strive for more.
Doesn't give the government the right to tax everyone to the brink.