is the carbon tax working?

[5.4MarkVIII]

I was led to believe that the carbon tax would force people to limit usage.

"Rules for thee but not for me"

"Naturally, Trudeau’s high rate of jet travel comes at a substantial price in carbon emissions. Jet fuel is one of the dirtier fossil fuels, emitting 2.5 kg of carbon dioxide for every litre burned (the emissions are heavier than the original fuel because carbon dioxide is composed heavily of oxygen burned in the combustion process).

Trudeau’s July jet travel emitted roughly 85.8 tonnes of greenhouse gases into the earth’s atmosphere.

For context, the household emissions (including gasoline and fuel oil purchases) for an average Canadian is about 4.1 tonnes per year, according to Statistics Canada . Thus, for the month of July, about every 36 hours Trudeau was burning enough jet fuel to equal the entire yearly carbon emissions for an average Canadian"

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/in-one-month-trudeau-used-enough-fuel-to-power-a-trucker-convoy/ar-AA10fNJK?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=3358803908384b40a5eb1a8f7260cb7f&fbclid=IwAR1K13tTjdRWCiXwPkcwSAnahQ2IATsPVWY-6r73KzOV4GiWti9jzHwxyeM

[StAnger]

It would be a shame if his pilot decided to end it all, and nose dive the jet into the sea with Twatwaffle on the plane.

[ChickenLips]

water vapor is a greenhouse gas and much more prevalent than CO2. Stay thirsty

[5.4MarkVIII]

He needs to be voted out. But I don’t condone violence. They just use that kind of talk to lump normal conservative with violent extremists and it hurts the cause.

[ChickenLips]

Canada and the west in general have decommissioned coal fired powerplants well ahead of end of useful life.

China is building coal fired powerplants at an unprecedented level.

Canada sells coal to China

What difference does it make where the coal is burned WRT "climate change".

Does China have more stringent environmental standards than Canada WRT burning coal?

If you wanted to transition to alternative electricity generation are you better to have cheap plentiful energy or expensive unreliable energy?

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/B15zpf_6T4c

[Spock]

Is the TAX working? Yes, the government is pulling in tons of money
The question is Do Canadian's benefit from this TAX?
From what I can see only One- Justin!

[ChickenLips]

exactly. It's a raging success from the money extraction perspective. My personal carbon consumption has declined out of necessity. I'm not sure I'm representative. I still see lots of endless idling, wasteful A/C practices etc.

I'd say the biggest success is having the inmates guild their own prison through blind repetition of the climate change alarmism.

[1quikgt]

I work in public transit. If the temperature is over 29C or under -8C the 3 min idling rule gets thrown out the window and the bus stays running, blasting emissions into the air 24/7. Some layovers where I’m just sitting there waiting for my to leave are up to 20 mins.

Carbon Tax is a crock of shit.

[ChickenLips]

CO2 isn't an issue, pollution is however.

Watch a few of Tony Heller's videos and you'll get a sense of the Global Warming/Climate Change debate.

https://youtu.be/zhQCzoG-dPU

[hammerhead]

I read about a rumour yesterday and it make sense considering Gerry Butts is still behind the scenes —the sock puppet is setting up the day care lady to move into his position once he makes and early exit —sounds a lot like McSquinty…

[cudaboy]

Please God......not her........

[ChickenLips]

https://twitter.com/FrankGent3/status/1560070244252717057

[ChickenLips]

China Is Aggressively Reselling Russian Gas To Europe

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-aggressively-reselling-russian-gas-europe

[Ponyryd]

Cash grab, nothing more, never will be. The biggest polluters are left alone to make huge money and do as they want, all while pulling cash from us working stiffs simply because they can. Corrupt government, end of story.

[ChickenLips]

Cash grab, nothing more, never will be. The biggest polluters are left alone to make huge money and do as they want, all while pulling cash from us working stiffs simply because they can. Corrupt government, end of story.

That's my opinion also. I would reframe it as a wealth transfer though, reverse Robin Hood style. Highly organized starting at the indoctrination level with the result being a River Kwai type situation where the inmates are proud and protective of their chains.

[ChickenLips]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg-yKC6Syrk

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/4nAC8kYAa50

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/6sX31KEyucI

[Snaketamer]

https://www.rzrforums.net/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=1920,height=192 0,fit=scale-down/https://www.rzrforums.net/attachments/img_20220912_112354_236-jpg.705650/

[Gr8Stang]

When I read a government document stating that Canada's contribution to the Carbon "problem" was less then 2%, it told me everything I needed to know. We're being bent over....royally.

China and India are the two biggest contributors to Carbon emissions by far and for all intents and purposes, don't give a flying.....you know what.

[RedSN]

China, USA,and India are the two biggest contributors to Carbon emissions by far
You forgot our neighbours to the south.

China — 11680.42.
United States — 4535.30.
India — 2411.73.

[ZR]

<tbody style="box-sizing: border-box;">
1
China (https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/china-co2-emissions/)
10,432,751,400
-0.28%
1,414,049,351
7.38
29.18%


2
United States (https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/us-co2-emissions/)
5,011,686,600
-2.01%
323,015,995
15.52
14.02%


3
India (https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/india-co2-emissions/)
2,533,638,100
4.71%
1,324,517,249
1.91
7.09%

</tbody>

[5.4MarkVIII]

But of course don’t forget that while the Us is currently two and India third. The us is averaging a 2% reduction per year and India is adding around 4%

Also don’t forget that every source you check will give a different number.

Also don’t forget that while US is overall a rich country and people can afford the “hit”

In some parts of India and other places in the world they still burn dung for heat. People will die in large numbers if forced to reduce carbon emissions. .

[5.4MarkVIII]

Treed by ZR

[Ponyryd]

It’s nothing but a joke, all the greenies who are for this crap should be forced give up their private jets and yachts, rules for thee, but not for me.
At least it’s not as bad as NJ where they are making a guy have his truck crushed because it was deleted…poor guy out it for sale and really got screwed over.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/diesel-ram-owner-forced-to-scrap-truck-over-deleted-emissions-equipment?fbclid=IwAR0E_P8Wi0gCcsScJ8MbFxlHg9GuZtA Z9clUT1_FSu2ETrGcFmd8_eXQcqM



A diesel truck owner's battle with the state of New Jersey is leading to the scrapyard. Mike Sebold initially received a letter from the state's Department of Environmental Protection after listing his modified 2008 Ram 2500 on Facebook Marketplace. Officials took issue with the pickup's deleted emissions equipment and, in turn, told Sebold his truck must be returned to stock or taken off the road. But after he decided to turn in his plates and keep it for off-road use, Sebold claims they've forced him to make an appointment with the crusher.


The truck will be crushed this Friday.

[5.4MarkVIII]

So one of two scenarios. One members of the government are surfing the internet looking for things like this. Or Facebook is passing on the information.

[ChickenLips]

this all assumes CO2 is a pollutant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blfADrfBlX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJVubu_8t_U

[ChickenLips]

attack on the messenger, not the message in 3, 2, 1....

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[ChickenLips]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/4sa5JkeerRo" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>..

[ChickenLips]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/QVqt5YnnfXk" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>..

[ChickenLips]

In Sweden people are already getting microchip implants in their hand to use for cashless payments.

There's also a Swedish credit card that tracks your C02 emissions

https://petersweden.substack.com/p/paying-with-microchip-implant

[Snaketamer]

My Cannodale bike app said I reduced CO2 by 12247 g's on my morning ride. :facepalm:

[ChickenLips]

My Cannodale bike app said I reduced CO2 by 12247 g's on my morning ride. :facepalm:

you just starved out my tomato plants of their food

[RedSN]

My Cannodale bike app said I reduced CO2 by 12247 g's on my morning ride. :facepalm:
Is your Cannondale carbon fibre?

[ChickenLips]

Is your Cannondale carbon fibre?

carbon capture

[Snaketamer]

Is your Cannondale carbon fibre?

Yes...yes, it is....

[mavrrrick]

This is interesting - IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2SiVbM4XaY

[ChickenLips]

Thiel: “There are 3 tangible futures. Islamic sharia law, Chinese totalitarian AI, or hyper-environmentalism”


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iRleB034EC8" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[ChickenLips]

How Fast Can Oil Form?

Hint, as little as 4 years.... Peak oil.....

https://answersingenesis.org/geology/catastrophism/how-fast-can-oil-form/

[ChickenLips]

..<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/5l2wl3sAOPE" title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[ChickenLips]

..

[ChickenLips]

listening to CBC radio in my shop today. I used to listen and think I was a sophisticat, now I listen to hear what the commies are up to.

More climate change drum banging, this time Ontario wine and grape growers blaming climate change fo all their woes. The said they hadn't had a crop this bad since 1956. Spot the self debunk, duh.

[RedSN]

He said last year was "pretty challenging" in the winter, with "some pretty cold nights and days."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/ontario-grape-growers-winemakers-1.6566953

So if we could somehow maybe increase the average temperature …that would be good for making wine. I support this.

[ChickenLips]

that had a bad crop year in 56 when CO2 was much lower.

[Ponyryd]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/ontario-grape-growers-winemakers-1.6566953

So if we could somehow maybe increase the average temperature …that would be good for making wine. I support this.

Wait a sec, I thought “global warming” was bad…..damn it’s hard to keep up with what we need to pay more taxes to fix.

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/Sj5hI_IiQ7A

[ChickenLips]

above post is out take from this


https://youtu.be/4sa5JkeerRo?t=83

[ChickenLips]

Sri Lanka uses digital ID for fuel rationing.


https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Sri-Lanka-Introduces-New-Fuel-Rationing-Scheme.html

[hammerhead]

got 186 bucks back last week —almost a full tank —pay carbon tax get one free

[ChickenLips]

Dyson on positive effects of CO2


https://youtu.be/04EkIXDA0VA

[ChickenLips]

for a lighter, but still valid take


https://youtu.be/RTp-JDxpcjU

[ChickenLips]

Farming needs to stop


https://www.tiktok.com/@prideofthefknsouth/video/7155421353103985922?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1&lang=en&q=farming%20needs%20to%20stop&t=1666210141766

[ChickenLips]

pretty handy tools to look up temperature, forest fire historical data for various regions


https://youtu.be/if61Vnp0SNc

[ChickenLips]

this is optimistic


https://youtu.be/tF5spyudTYA

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https://youtu.be/1cEWw0Cfg8k

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/z2HneqfZGsM

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/LKP9z7Z-2M8

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/-Lxi05i0cd8

[ChickenLips]

Stelter gets schooled


https://youtu.be/qXGpYKAMHbU?t=27

[ChickenLips]

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[hammerhead]

better get use to high gas prices electric is coming no matter what anyone thinks —there is so much money being pumped into the electrification right now there is no stopping it. Mines and battery plants are springing up all over north america. I think it's coming faster than anyone really realizes...

[ChickenLips]

better get use to high gas prices electric is coming no matter what anyone thinks —there is so much money being pumped into the electrification right now there is no stopping it. Mines and battery plants are springing up all over north america. I think it's coming faster than anyone really realizes...

elecrification will only proceed as long as the thumb is on the scale. Petroleum is cheaper. If people have to go hungry to subsidize electric cars, shit will go down.

[ChickenLips]

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former CIA director Brennan talking about geo engineering via cloud seeding


https://youtu.be/uIQDqxl9FtM

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[ChickenLips]

They're laughing at you


FOUR HUNDRED private jets arrived in Egypt during COP27 as climate delegates are accused of 'hypocrisy'

Climate delegates accused of hypocrisy as 400 private jets in Egypt for COP27
Numerous posts on social media criticised delegates for travelling by private jet
Posts and reports included various estimates for the number of such planes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416209/FOUR-private-jets-arrived-Egypt-COP27-climate-delegates-accused-hypocrisy.html

[92redragtop]

elecrification will only proceed as long as the thumb is on the scale. Petroleum is cheaper. If people have to go hungry to subsidize electric cars, shit will go down.

They should at least stop subsidizing petroleum (which they've been doing for over 100 years) so we can compare the true pricing between options (also, one is early stage versus mature/cash cow in the life-cycle).

[Gr8Stang]

They're laughing at you


FOUR HUNDRED private jets arrived in Egypt during COP27 as climate delegates are accused of 'hypocrisy'

Climate delegates accused of hypocrisy as 400 private jets in Egypt for COP27
Numerous posts on social media criticised delegates for travelling by private jet
Posts and reports included various estimates for the number of such planes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11416209/FOUR-private-jets-arrived-Egypt-COP27-climate-delegates-accused-hypocrisy.html

Until there's an alternative "green" way of getting there (electric powered jets?) in a reasonable amount of time, or Star Trek transporter technology becomes reality, this is the way it will be for the foreseeable future.

[ChickenLips]

They should at least stop subsidizing petroleum (which they've been doing for over 100 years) so we can compare the true pricing between options (also, one is early stage versus mature/cash cow in the life-cycle).

subsidies for all industries, services etc should stop.

Start with dairy.

WRT electrification vs petro. I seriously doubt electric can compete with ICE, but let the market decide without interference on either side. Won't happen of course so back on the merry go round.

[92redragtop]

subsidies for all industries, services etc should stop.

Start with dairy.

WRT electrification vs petro. I seriously doubt electric can compete with ICE, but let the market decide without interference on either side. Won't happen of course so back on the merry go round.

Agreed with stopping subsidies.

Petro has had 100+ years of taxpayers subsidies vs electric - how to equalize the playing field now? Tax ICE to recoup previous taxpayer subsidies (to make it apples to apples comparison)?

[ChickenLips]

Agreed with stopping subsidies.

Petro has had 100+ years of taxpayers subsidies vs electric - how to equalize the playing field now? Tax ICE to recoup previous taxpayer subsidies (to make it apples to apples comparison)?

past subsidies may have been a mistake. In the here and now the market should decide. I'm not in favor of "reparations" to electrification.

It's all moot because political motivations will decide where and if your tax dollars get spent. Common sense and practicality take a back seat to vote buying

[5.4MarkVIII]

Musk build his wealth off of government subsidies “contracts”. Both with Tesla and with space x

Everything green has been build on subsidies. Does not mean it’s good. I don’t get the “well oil got them first” argument
Just another example of government Related problem. Let’s do the same thing and see if it works this time.

[ChickenLips]

Musk build his wealth off of government subsidies “contracts”. Both with Tesla and with space x

Everything green has been build on subsidies. Does not mean it’s good. I don’t get the “well oil got them first” argument
Just another example of government Related problem. Let’s do the same thing and see if it works this time.

the free market is the best crucible. A committee of 100 or even 1000 bureaucrats aren't as smart as 10's of millions of consumers.

[ChickenLips]

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https://youtu.be/djpRUafjx7c

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/R4IGtimDx64

[ChickenLips]

global cooling scare

Trust the experts


https://youtu.be/RQRqr9_jw5I

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/PrkYF0ifS3w

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file:///D:/Documents/Resume%20stuff/NASA-Great-Filter-Paper.pdf

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/MCXNbd4yvyM

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https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/China-Started-More-Coal-Plants-Than-The-Entire-World-Retired-In-2020.html

[ChickenLips]

SIE is Summer Ice Extent

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[ChickenLips]

this statement is in another context but rings true for most issues.

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[ChickenLips]

how're EV's performing in this cold?

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/kSH_cBYWkF0

[ChickenLips]

https://rumble.com/embed/vpwusm/?pub=4

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/wOsXYaI5JoI

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/-wwIBUCBrF8

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[bluetoy]

By your Graphic, Clearly it is working to reverse global warming.

[RedSN]

very clever using two points of data.
statistics are confusing.

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[RedSN]

I consider myself fairly scientific, and I have no clue what point you are making with a screenshot of Detroit, Michigan, USA, record high and low values for February?
To me, looks like most of the record highs have been recorded in the years 2000+, and most of the record lows in the early 1900’s. I am also positive that is NOT the point you are trying to make.

[MUSTANGWOP]

Maybe he's showing how much weight the weather girl lost over 5 years?

[ChickenLips]

I consider myself fairly scientific, and I have no clue what point you are making with a screenshot of Detroit, Michigan, USA, record high and low values for February?
To me, looks like most of the record highs have been recorded in the years 2000+, and most of the record lows in the early 1900’s. I am also positive that is NOT the point you are trying to make.

non linear. CO2 and increase in temps not correlated.

[RedSN]

what's non-linear? the table you posted? or the weather woman?

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https://tradingeconomics.com/france/electricity-price

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[5.4MarkVIII]

After the April raise of carbon tax the Liberal government has now said they have new “scientific” data that shows carbon costs upwards of $250 per ton.

Hang on to your hats they will be pushing for more.

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[Titanium90]

34468

This liberal religion of climate change is all bullshit.

[ChickenLips]

Humans are predisposed to superstition. The successful humans (those that didn't starve) shared this predisposition "gene". It started with sacrifices for rain, crops, fertility and progressed to organized religions. Modern society is largely secular and the superstition predisposition is finding purchase in climate change, or social causes.

Sheep looking for a sheppard is hardwired.

[ChickenLips]

How weather modifications are fighting climate change
ABC News' Chief meteorologist Ginger Zee explores how scientists are using weather modifications like cloud seeding to combat climate change.
April 19, 2023


https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/GMA3/video/weather-modifications-fighting-climate-change-98699096

[ChickenLips]

California drought: Past dry periods have lasted more than 200 years, scientists say

https://web.archive.org/web/20220524124539/https://www.mercurynews.com/2014/01/25/california-drought-past-dry-periods-have-lasted-more-than-200-years-scientists-say/

[RedSN]

Humans are predisposed to superstition. The successful humans (those that didn't starve) shared this predisposition "gene". It started with sacrifices for rain, crops, fertility and progressed to organized religions.

Did you just Darwin yourself into admitting that this "Climate Change Cult" may be good for the survival of our species on this planet?

[ChickenLips]

Did you just Darwin yourself into admitting that this "Climate Change Cult" may be good for the survival of our species on this planet?

how did you connect those dots?

[92redragtop]

Posting here today?

[RedSN]

how did you connect those dots?
Dot A: successful humans survived by using superstition
Dot B: you posting it.

Then I drew a straight line between the two.

[ChickenLips]

are you familiar with "correlation does not mean causation"

much like ritual sacrifice for rain, fertility etc. this assumes that a ritual sacrifice did not cause rain even if rain occured after sacrifice. I can't readily produce studies to the contrary.

every human also comes equipped with an appendix and other equipment not useful in this age.

As far as my place in the universe, I have fulfilled my purpose and reproduced.

[ChickenLips]

Canadian CO2 emissions estimated at 545 million tons

7.62 billion estimated absorbed by trees (only trees) within Canada

https://twitter.com/coachsadji/status/1648160170575384579


all hail the CO2 climate god

[hammerhead]

In 2031 they will say, "Hey it's working!"

https://www.science.org/content/article/there-mini-ice-age-horizon#:~:text=Scientists%20have%20predicted%20th at%20Earth,60%25%20reduction%20in%20solar%20activi ty.

Scientists have predicted that Earth is 15 years away from a "mini ice age," The Telegraph reports. Using a new model of the sun's activity, the solar researchers estimate that in the 2030s the movements of two waves of fluids within the star will lead to a 60% reduction in solar activity. The subsequent decline in Northern Hemisphere temperatures would be similar to the freezing conditions seen in Western Europe during the late 17th century, the scientists announced at the 2015 National Astronomy Meeting. During that time, now known as the Little Ice Age, the Thames River in the United Kingdom froze over for several weeks, which it hasn't done since. Scientists still debate what caused the past cooling; possible explanations include a reduction in sunspots or the eruption of four tropical volcanoes that spewed ash and dust into the atmosphere.

[ChickenLips]

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[ChickenLips]

https://www.prageru.com/video/how-much-energy-will-the-world-need

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[Zutz2v]

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https://youtu.be/LNOtiRB3uyk?t=1175

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[ChickenLips]

short 4 minute video that says, yes the globe is warming, but from the coldest point in the last 10,000 years. Coldest point was in 1800's, exactly when record keeping started.


https://youtu.be/WE0zHZPQJzA

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https://youtu.be/8cbB4_xxmKk

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https://youtu.be/ZOYGLs88yWc

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https://journals.lww.com/health-physics/Abstract/2022/02000/World_Atmospheric_CO2,_Its_14C_Specific_Activity,. 2.aspx

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[RedSN]

^^^you literally posted a picture of a greenhouse

[ChickenLips]

^^^you literally posted a picture of a greenhouse

is the greenhouse heated with CO2? Does it reduce heating bills? Is it even factored in as a heating effect?

Is the purposeful introduction of CO2 detrimental?

What levels of CO2 are inside versus outside?

Do greenhouses pay a tax for CO2 injection?

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081020095850.htm

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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-stunning-statistical-fraud-behind-the-global-warming-scare/

[Ponyryd]

Sadly, nearly anyone can be bought, scientists, politicians, media, LEO’s, etc…..looking back at history-they have almost always been wrong, yet they still keep pushing endless nonsense. Worst of all, we’re constantly bullied into believing it, or at least not arguing against it, so that others will believe it.

[ChickenLips]

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[RedSN]

^^^or not.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/06/06/how-much-co2-does-a-single-volcano-emit/?sh=6de7d345cbf5


We can measure the degassing of Mt. Etna extremely well, and find that it adds about 16,000 tons of CO2 to the atmosphere each day, or 5.8 million tons per year.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-volcanoes-co2-idUSL1N2XV1HA

An eruption of Italy’s Mt. Etna, Europe’s highest and most active volcano, does not produce “10,000 times” more carbon dioxide (CO2) than “mankind has in our entire time on earth”. Contrary to a years-old meme containing this false statement, the combined activity of all volcanoes on earth is actually estimated to be a fraction of the CO2 emitted by human activity.

But please, continue posting memes, at least they are entertaining.

[ChickenLips]

^^^or not.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/06/06/how-much-co2-does-a-single-volcano-emit/?sh=6de7d345cbf5



https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-volcanoes-co2-idUSL1N2XV1HA


But please, continue posting memes, at least they are entertaining.

I considered posting those community notes. I did see them.

Does this mean that natural sources of CO2 are irrelevant? Sort of like "if I eat a chocolate bar while dieting and no one witnesses it, I'm not cheating?"


I suppose posting about CO2 in any regard acknowledges that it's even a problem, so there is that.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/finnish-nuclear-plant-throttles-output-after-electricity-prices-become-too-cheap

[hammerhead]

I've read recently that the internet "Cloud" produces more CO2 than anything...? Next time I come across a report on what happens to the energy we produce with the windmills I will try to post it —it's sickening!

[ChickenLips]

I've read recently that the internet "Cloud" produces more CO2 than anything...? Next time I come across a report on what happens to the energy we produce with the windmills I will try to post it —it's sickening!

you're still buying into the myth that CO2 is bad. Nose back through the this thread and you'll see newspaper accounts from decades and over 100 years ago of high temperatures, low arctic ice or any number of other weather "anomalies" long before man made CO2 was a thing.

During the warm spell in May I was listening to CBC radio going into alarmist mode with "highest temperatures in 76 years". Spot the self debunk, CO2 levels were lower and the temp still was higher.

Redsn helpfully made me "self aware" of this a couple posts up.

If you're still talking about CO2 you're still buying the lie.

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/JPOG41pFxTE

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040162520304157

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https://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/6/

[ChickenLips]

I'd be surprised if the devastating fires in Nova Scotia aren't used to fuel the flames of more climate change alarmism. Forest fires aren't a new phenomenon

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[Zee]

"It’s time to bust some myths. The truth is Canadians are not better off with the carbon tax. The tax isn’t affordable for families. And there’s no proof that carbon taxes will help the environment.

With a carbon tax tsunami on the horizon, it’s time for taxpayers to demand that the Trudeau government reverse course. Canadians cannot afford Ottawa’s punitive and reckless carbon tax. "

Source: https://niagaraindependent.ca/pbo-report-shows-ottawas-carbon-tax-rhetoric-was-always-bluster/?fbclid=IwAR17tYIC91_-gzEUvwAGhS6vxyVQTRgGg8o0FpPAYHB4GgwZdXnRMVFedr4

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My discretionary spending is almost completely curtailed. Everyone I know is scaling down. Good friends have stopped vacationing and are selling off toys.

There's always MAID which is now being offered if you're struggling with finances.

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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0040162520304157

[Zee]

This is a really good read.

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/9Ra0QwzVH3s

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/8dZytPfqnZo

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Propaganda ministry right on cue

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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canada-s-unprecedented-fire-season-linked-to-climate-change-will-be-the-new-normal-scientists-1.6425110?cid=sm%3Atrueanthem%3A%7B%7Bcampaignname %7D%7D%3Atwitterpost%E2%80%8B&taid=647a4cadd4faf00001dd8c9b&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+Trending+Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter



I'd be surprised if the devastating fires in Nova Scotia aren't used to fuel the flames of more climate change alarmism. Forest fires aren't a new phenomenon

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[ChickenLips]

keep this in mind when they say there's too much cattle, cow farts are bad for the climate and you need to eat less meat

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[RedSN]

Sure, that makes total sense comparing the 30 million bison to the current almost 100 million cattle (92M in the US, 6M in Canada)

But great post of a meme celebrating the slaughter of animals merely because they were in the way. :clap2:

[92redragtop]

Sure, that makes total sense comparing the 30 million bison to the current almost 100 million cattle (92M in the US, 6M in Canada)

But great post of a meme celebrating the slaughter of animals merely because they were in the way. :clap2:

That meme also cuts out the primary reason (rail expansion was one reason but the main obstacle to Europeans moving westward were other humans) why they were killing bison and who was conducting the slaughter: "The American bison is the new U.S. national mammal, but its slaughter was once seen as a way to starve Native Americans into submission."

[RedSN]

Oh no! The railroad meme is derailing the carbon tax thread!

[92redragtop]

:spitcoffee:

[RedSN]

Edit: further derailment.

[92redragtop]

Let's get this back on track.....

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https://youtu.be/fvFixaZdvCg

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https://globalnews.ca/news/7923834/alberta-wildfires-arson-bonnyville-lac-la-biche/

[5.4MarkVIII]

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https://globalnews.ca/news/7923834/alberta-wildfires-arson-bonnyville-lac-la-biche/

Did you see the satellite video of Quebec’s fires?

[ChickenLips]

Did you see the satellite video of Quebec’s fires?

Just looked. What are you pointing out?

On another note, fire, like death is a normal part of forest life cycles. Neither is pretty. I believe the lodge pole pine actually needs fire to release it's seeds.

[ChickenLips]

I just saw a satellite "animation" or progression of shots where all the fires start simultaneously. I see your point. Kinda impossible for all to start at the same time.


I suppose you could still blame it on climate change. The arsonists are so invested in the climate change narrative they were driven to start fires.

[5.4MarkVIII]

there was a video clip circulating that shows dozens of plumes of smoke all starting at the same time, true or not, i dont know but the implication is that there were started by someone or multiple somones.

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https://www.westernstandard.news/news/police-in-ns-say-some-fires-deliberately-set/article_d1b2002e-03b4-11ee-a186-13afdb8ce6ce.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

[5.4MarkVIII]

Would be nice if they were more specific.

They say arson or deliberately set. But then always dive into burn bans

So are these fires being s caused by someone deliberately setting a forest on fire, or by accident because someone had a camp fire that got out of control

I’m guessing the lady in Alberta wasn’t just having 19 different campfires. So what was her motivation to set these fires. Is she crazy or political?

[ChickenLips]

Would be nice if they were more specific.

They say arson or deliberately set. But then always dive into burn bans

So are these fires being s caused by someone deliberately setting a forest on fire, or by accident because someone had a camp fire that got out of control

I’m guessing the lady in Alberta wasn’t just having 19 different campfires. So what was her motivation to set these fires. Is she crazy or political?

A campfire getting out of control sounds like an accident, not deliberately set

[5.4MarkVIII]

Depends on what wording fits the narrative best.

[ChickenLips]

Depends on what wording fits the narrative best.

If you intentionally go for a drive and get into an unexpected collision, it's called an accident, not intentional. Considering they banned hiking and all other recreational land users I'd say they're on narrative.

[ChickenLips]

watching the opposite side of the narrative coin is helpful

https://thehighwire.com/watch/

realizing that this too is a narrative is helpful in seeing everything on both sides has bias.

[ChickenLips]

NASA global fire map. Looks like grounds for a "climate lockdown".

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https://firms.modaps.eosdis.nasa.gov/map/#d:24hrs;@-21.8,12.5,3z

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https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1938/10/09/issue.html

[triniexr]

I remember reading somewhere that Canada has 3x the amount of trees needed to clean the carbon emissions that we produce.

[ChickenLips]

I remember reading somewhere that Canada has 3x the amount of trees needed to clean the carbon emissions that we produce.

look at post 116 of this thread

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Enjoy your day, the world gets wiped out tomorrow.

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https://youtu.be/6tFb359yJBM

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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/01/white-house-cautiously-opens-door-to-study-blocking-suns-rays-to-slow-global-warming-ee-00104513

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https://youtu.be/kD9KG-j7C0M

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[Zee]

GOd dayum! Do you have the link for this graph?

[ChickenLips]

GOd dayum! Do you have the link for this graph?

The info is in the image but I'll do your work for you.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=CHN~GBR

[ChickenLips]

here's Canada

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[Zee]

Wow, just goes to show you that all this CO2 stuff is absolute nonsense!!!!
We're the low hanging fruit - clearly - in this equation.

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[RedSN]

^^^and when you compare that to per capita, the US takes a whopping lead with 2X China. And we are even higher.

[ChickenLips]

^^^and when you compare that to per capita, the US takes a whopping lead with 2X China. And we are even higher.

assuming for the moment CO2 is an issue (CO2 lags temperature, it doesn't lead), what's more important; total CO2 output, or per capita.

[RedSN]

Obviously per capita. Unless you are suggesting lowering emissions by decreasing capita?

[ChickenLips]

Obviously per capita. Unless you are suggesting lowering emissions by decreasing capita?

I'm not suggesting either. I'm suggesting CO2 is a non issue.



As a thought experiment. Assume there's a disaster of some sort that eliminates all people of Canada and the US

AND CO2 is causing global warming

will global warming stop, or even slow down.

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[RedSN]

I'm suggesting CO2 is a non issue.

Then why post a graph of China vs UK CO2 emmisions? Relevance if it’s a non issue?

[ChickenLips]

Then why post a graph of China vs UK CO2 emmisions? Relevance if it’s a non issue?

calling the graph police

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[92redragtop]

Then why post a graph of China vs UK CO2 emmisions? Relevance if it’s a non issue?

Interesting graph but as with most statistics, lacks context. They should note that during the period of China's acceleration the increase was the result of the global move to make China their outsourced factory with the use of corporate tax incentives for offshore production. Most of that increase actually in China belongs to the global community that utilized offshoring corporate tax incentives so that the post-war acceleration in global GDP was driven off of the backs and development of China's manufacturing industry and their change from agrarian economy to industrial (I believe China had an agri crisis around postWW2 that resulted in a strategic shift to more industrial activity and labour was cheap coming out of a history as an agrarian economy). The trend lines should be adjusted using export data to reflect the increase in economic activity within the western countries that used China as their production facility (on the basis that they would have generated the same if they had kept that corresponding production on shore). So essentially that increase in trendline is our doing as the result of us having big modern homes, 3 TVs in our homes, etc, and all the other stuff we wanted for lower prices that we asked them to make for us for the last 50-60 years

[ChickenLips]

thats a lot of words to rationalize China's CO2 output.

Again, assuming CO2 is the big sky dragon for the sake of a thought experiment. Which country(s) have more stringent emission controls. In a game of "would you rather" is manufacturing going to be cleaner in the west or China?

[92redragtop]

You can call it rationalizing or avoiding an intellectual/logical flaw in the conclusions drawn. I wonder if Tony presented it this way intentionally to increase click bait/response in the absence of free market/consumption context of the effect of the Nixon administration opening the door for China to the WTO (and related tax incentives to offshore production and the related side-effects).

As for thought experiment, we have had our share of manufacturing related issues with acid rain, damaging the great lakes, ongoing algae blooms, polluted air/smog, oil spills, other production disasters (and that's with offshoring a lot of the consumption driven manufacturing so would have been so much worse if done on-shore), so not sure we have a high horse to say it didn't/couldn't happen here. Hasn't China been the largest investor globally in renewable technology/infrastructure for 5+ years (maybe 10+)? If so, the changeover will take some time but will likely leap-frog us in the future.

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[ChickenLips]

You can call it rationalizing or avoiding an intellectual/logical flaw in the conclusions drawn. I wonder if Tony presented it this way intentionally to increase click bait/response in the absence of free market/consumption context of the effect of the Nixon administration opening the door for China to the WTO (and related tax incentives to offshore production and the related side-effects).

As for thought experiment, we have had our share of manufacturing related issues with acid rain, damaging the great lakes, ongoing algae blooms, polluted air/smog, oil spills, other production disasters (and that's with offshoring a lot of the consumption driven manufacturing so would have been so much worse if done on-shore), so not sure we have a high horse to say it didn't/couldn't happen here. Hasn't China been the largest investor globally in renewable technology/infrastructure for 5+ years (maybe 10+)? If so, the changeover will take some time but will likely leap-frog us in the future.

what logical flaw, what conclusion?

Did acid rain disappear because China?

Did algae blooms disappear because China?

WRT disasters, are you familiar with East Palestine? What do disasters have to do with anything. Is China safer?

Is China cleaner? If China pollutes does it remain local to China?

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[Ponyryd]

what logical flaw, what conclusion?

Did acid rain disappear because China?

Did algae blooms disappear because China?

WRT disasters, are you familiar with East Palestine? What do disasters have to do with anything. Is China safer?

Is China cleaner? If China pollutes does it remain local to China?

Careful, when you try arguing your point, no matter who’s right the threads get moved to bff to die….

[hammerhead]

Love canal —I think the algae was phosphates, I forget what acid rain was. But one could solve a problem locally by moving it to a new location.

[Zee]

^^^and when you compare that to per capita, the US takes a whopping lead with 2X China. And we are even higher.

I didnt even think about that. Our population vs production is quite substantial... especially when taken into account that we outsource most of our production

[ChickenLips]

sow fear, sell security. The guaranteed recipe.

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[5.4MarkVIII]

I didnt even think about that. Our population vs production is quite substantial... especially when taken into account that we outsource most of our production

The higher our output is the higher they can tax us.

Our output is negative if your factor our carbon soak from trees, so they stopped counting the absorption by trees…..

Excuse makers justify it.

[ChickenLips]

Careful, when you try arguing your point, no matter who’s right the threads get moved to bff to die….

BFF is gone. Moderation simply deletes posts that cross that line. I'm cool with it and try to not cross the line to burden moderation. Knowing where the line is, is fuzzy at times.

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[Quicksilver]

what i know about climate change is that my propane bill came today. 709 dollars for the actual propane. + hazmat fee, transportation fee, fuel tax of 85.00 and HST of $102. so on $700 in actual fuel, almost $200 in taxes.
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[ChickenLips]

what i know about climate change is that my propane bill came today. 709 dollars for the actual propane. + hazmat fee, transportation fee, fuel tax of 85.00 and HST of $102. so on $700 in actual fuel, almost $200 in taxes.
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thanks for saving the planet with your tax donation

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[ChickenLips]

https://www.facebook.com/truenorthcentre/posts/2941703209401650/

[Quicksilver]

thanks for saving the planet with your tax donation

you're welcome

[ChickenLips]

sow fear, sell safety.

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/dra4Ma68C5o

[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/bHocrHciq_Y

[ChickenLips]

this is pretty typical of weather stations used to trend temperatures.

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https://youtu.be/pDmyTLI-IiI

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[Zutz2v]

None of this surprises me. Most people just see end product not realizing it takes oil and gas to produce it. 🤦*♂️

[ChickenLips]

None of this surprises me. Most people just see end product not realizing it takes oil and gas to produce it. ��*♂️

cheap and abundant energy is required to manufacture expensive and intermittent energy.

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https://www.newsweek.com/nobel-prize-winner-who-doesnt-believe-climate-crisis-has-speech-canceled-1815020

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https://youtu.be/lvvBp25eh0U

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https://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2002/0391/intro.html

[ChickenLips]

does anyone here have a heat pump system that works without supplementary heat in winter?

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https://environmentalprogress.org/the-case-against-environmental-alarmism


https://youtu.be/Ey7iWsDYnJ8

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https://youtu.be/C3yctFLWn7Q