Vaccine VS immunization Covid related

[N89]

I’m going to say no, but always keep in mind that western medicine has always been customer based. What does that mean ? They don’t want you healthy. They want you reliant.


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Ok, but again...that goes for every product we consume.
And they may want us reliant, but todays life expenctacy is way longer than before we had medicine, so would you chose to live 50 years drug free or 90 years with the help of medicine?
You are probably still young so you are probably going to say 50 years drug free, but i bet you if you ask an 80 year old he would chose the latter.

[ZR]

Aging and no drugs, wish that was a reality as do peeps born with this or that problem who have relied on drugs their entire lives.

[N89]

Our leaders should be proud of the level of animosity they've created between those that choose to be vax'd vs those that haven't. As of right now, the law, our law, says it's your choice and no one else's yet the Prime minister publicly bashes those that have not. He continues with the federal govt won't mandate everyone vax's but has instead left if up to the provinces. Some fucking leader, hope those that voted for him are proud, like the rest of us are even a little surprised.
I respect those that have vax'd, feel the exact same about those that have not. Wish nothing but the very best for all us.


Agreed, there shouln't be any vax mandates, it should be up to the individual to make that choice.
Let's hope this POS prime minister we have dosen't get voted in again or we will all be fucked, i look at my kids every day and think how the hell are they going to make it.

[ChickenLips]

Ok, yes any doctor will get visits and perks from every drug manufacturer out there so what? that's how it works, that happens for every medicine we take, and with every other product we consume.
All medicine is being pushed by the big pharma, should we just do away with every medicine out there?

My college roomie became a drug rep. I also dated a drug rep. Incentives, incentivize. Simple things like consumer goods placement on shelves is based on incentives, not efficacy, price or any other metric that has value to the end user. All medicines, all goods, all services are offered for the benefit of the purveyor, not the consumer. My personal decision making is done based on personal risk assessment. I have no certainty that any of my decisions are sound. I do have a lifetime of experience that continuously refines my BS filter and feeds my skepticism bias. More seasoned people are often labelled as "grumpy old men". I fall into this cohort but prefer to label myself as experienced enough to identify "I've seen this grift before" and steer clear. Youthful optimism and idealism has been displaced by experience and wisdom gained from previous mistakes. I miss the certainty of idealism. One thing I've learned is that what's right for me isn't right for everyone and vice versa. You do you, I'll do me. How about we respect each others decisions.

[ZR]

^ Key point to me "respect each other's decisions" in spite of how passionate we are about our own beliefs.

[ZR]

Agreed, there shouln't be any vax mandates, it should be up to the individual to make that choice.
Let's hope this POS prime minister we have dosen't get voted in again or we will all be fucked, i look at my kids every day and think how the hell are they going to make it.

I still can't believe he made it through the last election, worry for all of us, especially our kids.

[Zutz2v]

Ok, but again...that goes for every product we consume.
And they may want us reliant, but todays life expenctacy is way longer than before we had medicine, so would you chose to live 50 years drug free or 90 years with the help of medicine?
You are probably still young so you are probably going to say 50 years drug free, but i bet you if you ask an 80 year old he would chose the latter.

I am young-ish lol but I had the experience of watching my father never be healthy a day in his life and constantly through hospital doors. If that’s the life drugs will give me until 80-90 then please drop the largest anvil you can find directly on me because I rather not see it coming.

Life is about quality not quantity.

I’m sure that’s not what you mean’t specifically but I just wanted to make it clear.

I’m not against vaccines and drugs. I’m just looking at the bigger picture of it all and when you get down to the specifics, the whole “ mandatory “ thing will never sit well with me especially when you see the constant lies.

I’m happy everyone who has vaxxed here is doing well but remember that Vax comes at a cost. Was it worth it ? A lot will say yes but the Vax hasn’t shown it’s ugly head yet.

Also I can’t wait to cruse with you guys again! ( I’ll distance my ass in my own car, you’ll be seeing my tail lights) lmao


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[N89]

I am young-ish lol but I had the experience of watching my father never be healthy a day in his life and constantly through hospital doors. If that’s the life drugs will give me until 80-90 then please drop the largest anvil you can find directly on me because I rather not see it coming.

Life is about quality not quantity.

I’m sure that’s not what you mean’t specifically but I just wanted to make it clear.

I’m not against vaccines and drugs. I’m just looking at the bigger picture of it all and when you get down to the specifics, the whole “ mandatory “ thing will never sit well with me especially when you see the constant lies.

I’m happy everyone who has vaxxed here is doing well but remember that Vax comes at a cost. Was it worth it ? A lot will say yes but the Vax hasn’t shown it’s ugly head yet.

Also I can’t wait to cruse with you guys again! ( I’ll distance my ass in my own car, you’ll be seeing my tail lights) lmao


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Agreed that we need to wait and see on the long term effects of the vaccine, and everyone should make that decision based on their own health etc.

Can't wait for Spring, we ALL should get together for a big cruise.

As for dropping the largest anvil you can find directly on you, how about using that little 2 valve you have. LOL (Sorry couldn't help myself):stickpoke:

[Zutz2v]

Agreed that we need to wait and see on the long term effects of the vaccine, and everyone should make that decision based on their own health etc.

Can't wait for Spring, we ALL should get together for a big cruise.

As for dropping the largest anvil you can find directly on you, how about using that little 2 valve you have. LOL (Sorry couldn't help myself):stickpoke:

She’s getting rebuilt as we speak Vic, and I’m looking into a Kenne bell solution. This little 2 valve fixing to eat that GT350 lmao [emoji1787]


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[N89]

She’s getting rebuilt as we speak Vic, and I’m looking into a Kenne bell solution. This little 2 valve fixing to eat that GT350 lmao [emoji1787]


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Yeah the Kenne Bell better be a big one. LOL
JK-I still have love for the the 2 valves, had 3 myself.

[Ponyryd]

I get what you saying and yes every expert will have a different opinion, and no a second opinion couldn't hurt.
But than you are back at square one, do you trust the second opinion, or third or forth?
And you can do your own research on line, but than you need to go and research the person that you just researched, and do the research on the person that researched the person you just researched and on and on (It's an endless circle)
At some point you have to put your trust in someone no?

Yes of course, but sooner or later you also need to use common sense and ask real questions.
1-How deadly is the virus? Not deadly at all, actually
2-How quickly was the “vaccine” pushed to market-and for what? Very, very quickly, and stepped were skipped, be sure of that. For what is a great question, refer to #1
3-Who stands to benefit from it, and who stands to lose? Big pharma, the govt, etc…… Us, our children, their children.
4-Why is it being pushed so hard that they are they turning us against each other? They’re getting rich, and finding power and control beyond their wildest dreams
5-Why is it being pushed on our children, who have basically no risk of serious illness or death-especially without any long-term data? Why indeed…see above
5-Why have so many professionals in healthcare, law enforcement, fire, paramedic, etc… chosen to refuse the vaccine, even if it meant losing their jobs? Why indeed…see above
6-Why are so many experts being silenced by msm and social media? Why indeed…see above
7-Who approved the vaccines, and why?
8-Why is the FDA asking for 75 years to release the research data for the vaccine???? This might be the most important question of all.

The list goes on, but that’s not what this is about.

[Zutz2v]

Yeah the Kenne Bell better be a big one. LOL
JK-I still have love for the the 2 valves, had 3 myself.

Aiming for a 2.1. I don’t need excessive.


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[N89]

Yes of course, but sooner or later you also need to use common sense and ask real questions.
1-How deadly is the virus? Not deadly at all, actually
2-How quickly was the “vaccine” pushed to market-and for what? Very, very quickly, and stepped were skipped, be sure of that. For what is a great question, refer to #1
3-Who stands to benefit from it, and who stands to lose? Big pharma, the govt, etc…… Us, our children, their children.
4-Why is it being pushed so hard that they are they turning us against each other? They’re getting rich, and finding power and control beyond their wildest dreams
5-Why is it being pushed on our children, who have basically no risk of serious illness or death-especially without any long-term data? Why indeed…see above
5-Why have so many professionals in healthcare, law enforcement, fire, paramedic, etc… chosen to refuse the vaccine, even if it meant losing their jobs? Why indeed…see above
6-Why are so many experts being silenced by msm and social media? Why indeed…see above
7-Who approved the vaccines, and why?
8-Why is the FDA asking for 75 years to release the research data for the vaccine???? This might be the most important question of all.

The list goes on, but that’s not what this is about.



Ok, all valid points, but they can all be disputed but we would go on forever.
But where does it stop?
Do you do this much research or ask the same questions for every product you use?

When you go to the store and buy a chicken, do you research how many steroids and hormones it was fed so it goes from being born to your table in a few weeks?
When you go to apply the brakes on your car, did you do the research on the supplier to your car manufacturer to make sure the brakes are up to the task (Usually the lowest bid gets the contract)
When you take your family on a trip overseas, do you do ask for the airplane maintenance records?

My point is, At the end of the day its all about companies making money, we all have to do what is in our best interest.
Again-At some point you have to put your trust somewhere no?

The only reason i chimed in on this subject is because there are posts here calling the vaccine poison etc,etc,etc, i even heard someone calling the vax people sheep (not here), what makes anti vaxx so smart, or right?

Even you started this post by saying that common sense needs to be used, so does that mean that us vaxxed people have no common sense?
Maybe one day we will be proven right, or wrong but for now how about you do what works for you, and i will do what works for me?

[Snaketamer]

This is unbelievable...where will it stop? Are smokers going to be taxed extra? Obese people?


As infections fuelled by the Omicron variant threaten to overwhelm Canada's health system, the Quebec government on Tuesday took the unprecedented step of promising to tax adult residents who refuse to be vaccinated against COVID-19.


Quebec's director of public health. Dr. Horacio Arruda said he was stepping down because of an erosion of public confidence in health-protection measures.

https://www.baytoday.ca/national-news/amid-omicron-crush-quebec-to-crack-down-on-unvaccinated-with-new-health-tax-4941749

[N89]

Aiming for a 2.1. I don’t need excessive.


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Nice, instant boost!

[Zutz2v]

Ok, all valid points, but they can all be disputed but we would go on forever.
But where does it stop?
Do you do this much research or ask the same questions for every product you use?

When you go to the store and buy a chicken, do you research how many steroids and hormones it was fed so it goes from being born to your table in a few weeks?
When you go to apply the brakes on your car, did you do the research on the supplier to your car manufacturer to make sure the brakes are up to the task (Usually the lowest bid gets the contract)
When you take your family on a trip overseas, do you do ask for the airplane maintenance records?

My point is, At the end of the day its all about companies making money, we all have to do what is in our best interest.
Again-At some point you have to put your trust somewhere no?

The only reason i chimed in on this subject is because there are posts here calling the vaccine poison etc,etc,etc, i even heard someone calling the vax people sheep (not here), what makes anti vaxx so smart, or right?

Even you started this post by saying that common sense needs to be used, so does that mean that us vaxxed people have no common sense?
Maybe one day we will be proven right, or wrong but for now how about you do what works for you, and i will do what works for me?

I’m guilty of bashing the Vax! I will admit it upfront, so I apologize straight out Vic. But believe it or not, there are many people ( even here) that like to act like the unvaccinated are third rate citizens so it’s hard not to get upset at the ignorance. But essentially we are just trying to help others be aware of what they are not seeing. At the end of the day I really don’t want to be right about any of the things I’ve said here, brings me no pleasure to even hope anyone gets hurt. So if I’ve offended you Vic I apologize but understand 1 thing. We’re aren’t being given much of a choice, so if it were as simple as do it or don’t then they’re wouldn’t be any discussion here to be had.


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[Zutz2v]

This is unbelievable...where will it stop? Are smokers going to be taxed extra? Obese people?





https://www.baytoday.ca/national-news/amid-omicron-crush-quebec-to-crack-down-on-unvaccinated-with-new-health-tax-4941749

They can’t do that, but Liberals also like to try to make problems disappear by taxing the hell out of it. For ex: Global warming doesn’t exist as long as you pay tax.


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[Ponyryd]

Ok, all valid points, but they can all be disputed but we would go on forever.
But where does it stop?
Do you do this much research or ask the same questions for every product you use?

When you go to the store and buy a chicken, do you research how many steroids and hormones it was fed so it goes from being born to your table in a few weeks?
When you go to apply the brakes on your car, did you do the research on the supplier to your car manufacturer to make sure the brakes are up to the task (Usually the lowest bid gets the contract)
When you take your family on a trip overseas, do you do ask for the airplane maintenance records?

My point is, At the end of the day its all about companies making money, we all have to do what is in our best interest.
Again-At some point you have to put your trust somewhere no?

The only reason i chimed in on this subject is because there are posts here calling the vaccine poison etc,etc,etc, i even heard someone calling the vax people sheep (not here), what makes anti vaxx so smart, or right?

Even you started this post by saying that common sense needs to be used, so does that mean that us vaxxed people have no common sense?
Maybe one day we will be proven right, or wrong but for now how about you do what works for you, and i will do what works for me?

Well your comparisons are, I suppose relevant, but miles and miles away from being fair in this discussion. I’d say kinda like comparing apples to a black hole in outer space.

For the record, I am vaccinated, and I didn’t say vaccinated were sheep-but even you can admit that many, many are…especially those that say unvaxxed are a danger, should be fined, locked up, denied service, etc. Many also refer to unvaxxed as “conspiracy theorists”, “internet warriors”, etc, just because they don’t immediately trust what the government, Bill Gates, or their family doctor says.
If you’re expressing anger about these things, I’m not sure it should be directed at me, but I am happy to engage in civilized discussion if possible.

[N89]

I’m guilty of bashing the Vax! I will admit it upfront, so I apologize straight out Vic. But believe it or not, there are many people ( even here) that like to act like the unvaccinated are third rate citizens so it’s hard not to get upset at the ignorance. But essentially we are just trying to help others be aware of what they are not seeing. At the end of the day I really don’t want to be right about any of the things I’ve said here, brings me no pleasure to even hope anyone gets hurt. So if I’ve offended you Vic I apologize but understand 1 thing. We’re aren’t being given much of a choice, so if it were as simple as do it or don’t then they’re wouldn’t be any discussion here to be had.


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Morning!

Ok, but this thread is really about if vaccinations work, and it quickly turned into a bashing of the vaccine because according to the unvaxx the vaccine is BS.
Does the vaccine work?- if you look at data, yes they do work.
Is the vaccine perfect? the answer is no, but than again i don't know of anything what works 100% of the time.
Did they lie to us about how the vaccine was going to be quick fix and everything was going to be perfect once we took it- Yes they did.

Also- Let's say the vaccine had a 100% rate right off the gate, i can guarantee you that the anti vaxx would have said that the data is fake and the government is lying about the data to get everyone vaccinated for (Add whatever conspiracy theory you have here)

Like i said earlier this is a personal choice and no one vaxx or anti vaxx should be bashed for doing what they think its the right thing (I feel like i should be singing kumbaya LOL)

Now, if we are going to talk about the mandates, closures, fines for those that won't take the shot, etc, etc i think most of us would agree on a lot of the same points.

Edit- I am not offended at all by anyone here, it's nice that we can have this discussions, makes the slow days at work more fun.
I will even have a Red Bull with you next time we meet (The one and only time LOL)

[ChickenLips]

When does buyers remorse switch to confirmation bias?

If the vaccine was less effective than first thought but still offered some protection would leadership lie?

If the vaccine had more side effects than other vaccines but still offered some protection would leadership lie?

If fat shaming is politically incorrect but a comorbidity would leadership suggest weight loss as a protective measure?

[bluetoy]

Morning!

Ok, but this thread is really about if vaccinations work, and it quickly turned into a bashing of the vaccine because according to the unvaxx the vaccine is BS.
Does the vaccine work?- if you look at data, yes they do work.
Is the vaccine perfect? the answer is no, but than again i don't know of anything what works 100% of the time.
Did they lie to us about how the vaccine was going to be quick fix and everything was going to be perfect once we took it- Yes they did.

Also- Let's say the vaccine had a 100% rate right off the gate, i can guarantee you that the anti vaxx would have said that the data is fake and the government is lying about the data to get everyone vaccinated for (Add whatever conspiracy theory you have here)

Like i said earlier this is a personal choice and no one vaxx or anti vaxx should be bashed for doing what they think its the right thing (I feel like i should be singing kumbaya LOL)

Now, if we are going to talk about the mandates, closures, fines for those that won't take the shot, etc, etc i think most of us would agree on a lot of the same points.

Edit- I am not offended at all by anyone here, it's nice that we can have this discussions, makes the slow days at work more fun.
I will even have a Red Bull with you next time we meet (The one and only time LOL)

This is the best post in this entire nonsense of a thread. If you get Vax. Great! If you don't get Vax, Great! your body, your choice.

[Zutz2v]

Morning!

Ok, but this thread is really about if vaccinations work, and it quickly turned into a bashing of the vaccine because according to the unvaxx the vaccine is BS.
Does the vaccine work?- if you look at data, yes they do work.
Is the vaccine perfect? the answer is no, but than again i don't know of anything what works 100% of the time.
Did they lie to us about how the vaccine was going to be quick fix and everything was going to be perfect once we took it- Yes they did.

Also- Let's say the vaccine had a 100% rate right off the gate, i can guarantee you that the anti vaxx would have said that the data is fake and the government is lying about the data to get everyone vaccinated for (Add whatever conspiracy theory you have here)

Like i said earlier this is a personal choice and no one vaxx or anti vaxx should be bashed for doing what they think its the right thing (I feel like i should be singing kumbaya LOL)

Now, if we are going to talk about the mandates, closures, fines for those that won't take the shot, etc, etc i think most of us would agree on a lot of the same points.

Edit- I am not offended at all by anyone here, it's nice that we can have this discussions, makes the slow days at work more fun.
I will even have a Red Bull with you next time we meet (The one and only time LOL)

You make some very great points. But the data in question is bullshit because it doesn’t have anywhere near a close representation of what’s really happening. And I will explain why.

- Vax don’t follow the same rules as everyone else
Much shorter Quarantine time. ( leads to higher rates of infection)

- they don’t have to report as much ( less vaxxed people being reported out of the 80% that are already reported making the number much lower then it is)

- if your filling out a covid questionnaire and your Vax it asks you to disregard any symptoms ( sounds fishy to me, what happened to protecting everyone)

- the data doesn’t show who’s getting sick

- the data doesn’t show who or why people are in the icu. Just says COVID-19, not good enough.

- if you don’t look at any data, and you look only at the people you know, then it’s clear as hell. I was home last week with covid and it was no worse then anyone else in the house. My wife and I are the only ones not jabbed out of 5 people. Her and my mother inlaw didn’t get it, but my brother In-law father inlaw and my self got it.

- also if you look as Israel’s data ( on 4th shot) they are almost 100% compliant and they keep going through extreme ways and ways of covid. Why ? Everyone is vaxxed and the country is locked down pretty good. Doesn’t make sense.

- nobody is reporting any dangerous side effects or any problems with the vax making it look like the hero. Essentially making it one sided which is why everyone has a problem with it. ( my wife’s aunt is pro Vax and she took her first one and her lymph nodes swelled under her arm, she hasn’t recovered from it and has gone down the anxiety rabbit hole)


So when the constant pressure to take it is on when they aren’t being truthful about doesn’t look good. Especially when your not left with a choice. And I’m not even mentioning the Terrible changes in society as a result of it. Passports to go to a restaurant that anyone can be infected in ? What a joke.

That’s my rant Vic lol


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[5.4MarkVIII]

In continuation to the original topic. If you curious look into “antigen drift” vs “antigen shift”

Drs coming out talking about the benefit of stoping restrictions while Omicron spreads. Since it is showing to be far less dangerous.

Natural immunity allows a better cross mutation coverage from small antigen drifts that viruses normally undergo and they mutate.

The danger about only wanting vaccines and locking everyone down is if next year (as an example) there actual ends up being a down stream mutation on Delta. That has under hon enough of a shift that the vax is bypassed. We will be back to square one.

This isn’t an argument for covid parties.

It’s an argument to protect the vulnerable and let everyone continue with their lives.

Look to Sweden and how they are fairing compared to other countries.

[N89]

You make some very great points. But the data in question is bullshit because it doesn’t have anywhere near a close representation of what’s really happening. And I will explain why.

- Vax don’t follow the same rules as everyone else
Much shorter Quarantine time. ( leads to higher rates of infection)

- they don’t have to report as much ( less vaxxed people being reported out of the 80% that are already reported making the number much lower then it is)

- if your filling out a covid questionnaire and your Vax it asks you to disregard any symptoms ( sounds fishy to me, what happened to protecting everyone)

- the data doesn’t show who’s getting sick

- the data doesn’t show who or why people are in the icu. Just says COVID-19, not good enough.

- if you don’t look at any data, and you look only at the people you know, then it’s clear as hell. I was home last week with covid and it was no worse then anyone else in the house. My wife and I are the only ones not jabbed out of 5 people. Her and my mother inlaw didn’t get it, but my brother In-law father inlaw and my self got it.

- also if you look as Israel’s data ( on 4th shot) they are almost 100% compliant and they keep going through extreme ways and ways of covid. Why ? Everyone is vaxxed and the country is locked down pretty good. Doesn’t make sense.

- nobody is reporting any dangerous side effects or any problems with the vax making it look like the hero. Essentially making it one sided which is why everyone has a problem with it. ( my wife’s aunt is pro Vax and she took her first one and her lymph nodes swelled under her arm, she hasn’t recovered from it and has gone down the anxiety rabbit hole)


So when the constant pressure to take it is on when they aren’t being truthful about doesn’t look good. Especially when your not left with a choice. And I’m not even mentioning the Terrible changes in society as a result of it. Passports to go to a restaurant that anyone can be infected in ? What a joke.

That’s my rant Vic lol


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Again- All great points

But- If you are quick to use the data provided to prove your point (Look at earlier posts where you look at data and are quick to show that the number of vaxx vs the number of unvaxx is the same) than you also have to allow that same data to be used when someone else is using it to make their point.

You use your own experiences and are quick to point out members of you family that have side effects etc.
Well- I can do the same and tell you that everyone i know that got the vaxx (And that's a lot of people in my line of work) is absolutely fine, i am also vaxxed and have had zero side effects, yes some were down for the day after the shot, but no issues at all after that.
I can't speak for long term effects because only time will tell, it sounds like you are absolutely sure that there will be side effects (What are you basing this on if there is no data?)

Again- It's all about doing what is best for you and your family, and i understand why people are frustrated with all the miscommunication and false claims out there.
But remember that the false claims are coming from both sides, one has to keep an open mind and try to navigate thru all the noise.

[Ponyryd]

^The difference here is that the people pushing the vaccine stand to benefit from it big time, and have several reasons to do so, such as huge money, huge power, huge control, etc…whereas the people against it will see no benefit, be cancelled by social media, fired from their jobs, labelled a conspiracy theorist, etc…..all they want is the real info, which they don’t seem to benefit from.


Morning!

Ok, but this thread is really about if vaccinations work, and it quickly turned into a bashing of the vaccine because according to the unvaxx the vaccine is BS.
Does the vaccine work?- if you look at data, yes they do work.
Is the vaccine perfect? the answer is no, but than again i don't know of anything what works 100% of the time.
Did they lie to us about how the vaccine was going to be quick fix and everything was going to be perfect once we took it- Yes they did.

Also- Let's say the vaccine had a 100% rate right off the gate, i can guarantee you that the anti vaxx would have said that the data is fake and the government is lying about the data to get everyone vaccinated for (Add whatever conspiracy theory you have here)

Like i said earlier this is a personal choice and no one vaxx or anti vaxx should be bashed for doing what they think its the right thing (I feel like i should be singing kumbaya LOL)

Now, if we are going to talk about the mandates, closures, fines for those that won't take the shot, etc, etc i think most of us would agree on a lot of the same points.

Edit- I am not offended at all by anyone here, it's nice that we can have this discussions, makes the slow days at work more fun.
I will even have a Red Bull with you next time we meet (The one and only time LOL)

They claimed the vaccine was something like 90% effective…..and now it’s what? 30 something %??

[N89]

^The difference here is that the people pushing the vaccine stand to benefit from it big time, and have several reasons to do so, such as huge money, huge power, huge control, etc…whereas the people against it will see no benefit, be cancelled by social media, fired from their jobs, labelled a conspiracy theorist, etc…..all they want is the real info, which they don’t seem to benefit from.



They claimed the vaccine was something like 90% effective…..and now it’s what? 30 something %??


I am sorry- failing to see how this applies to anything i said.

[Zutz2v]

Again- All great points

But- If you are quick to use the data provided to prove your point (Look at earlier posts where you look at data and are quick to show that the number of vaxx vs the number of unvaxx is the same) than you also have to allow that same data to be used when someone else is using it to make their point.

You use your own experiences and are quick to point out members of you family that have side effects etc.
Well- I can do the same and tell you that everyone i know that got the vaxx (And that's a lot of people in my line of work) is absolutely fine, i am also vaxxed and have had zero side effects, yes some were down for the day after the shot, but no issues at all after that.
I can't speak for long term effects because only time will tell, it sounds like you are absolutely sure that there will be side effects (What are you basing this on if there is no data?)

Again- It's all about doing what is best for you and your family, and i understand why people are frustrated with all the miscommunication and false claims out there.
But remember that the false claims are coming from both sides, one has to keep an open mind and try to navigate thru all the noise.

Can’t argue with you on that. The right data is very hard to come by because of cancel culture. Doesn’t help my case. But I do strongly encourage you watch Dr Robert Malone on Joe Rogan’S podcast. He helped create a lot of what we’re using and he took the Vax himself and shared his experience. Sheds light on a lot.


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[Ponyryd]

I am sorry- failing to see how this applies to anything i said.

Um, okay. Take care then.

[N89]

Can’t argue with you on that. The right data is very hard to come by because of cancel culture. Doesn’t help my case. But I do strongly encourage you watch Dr Robert Malone on Joe Rogan’S podcast. He helped create a lot of what we’re using and he took the Vax himself and shared his experience. Sheds light on a lot.


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I do listen to all of Joe Rogan's pod casts, love to listen to him.
I did watch Dr Robert Malone, he does make some great points, but again that is one guy. I can give you examples of other Doctors that are pro vaxx that also make great points.

FYI- Dr Robert Malone "claims" to have created the mrna technology behind the covid vaccine, even his linkedin account shows that he self appointed himself that tittle, so take it for what it is.

[N89]

Um, okay. Take care then.


Sorry, i am not trying to be an asshole, i really don't see it.

[5.4MarkVIII]

I do listen to all of Joe Rogan's pod casts, love to listen to him.
I did watch Dr Robert Malone, he does make some great points, but again that is one guy. I can give you examples of other Doctors that are pro vaxx that also make great points.

FYI- Dr Robert Malone "claims" to have created the mrna technology behind the covid vaccine, even his linkedin account shows that he self appointed himself that tittle, so take it for what it is.

Linkden (run by Microsoft if I recall correctly)
kicked him.

He literally had patents In His name for the base research and tech behind what is being used.

The claim that he made it all up is just another example as censorship and control.

He was highly regarded. Untill he started to speak up.

He said people should be vaccinated. But not children. Benefit vs risk reasons.

[ChickenLips]

^
They claimed the vaccine was something like 90% effective…..and now it’s what? 30 something %??

what did Phizer CEO say about double or triple jab effectiveness for Omnicron?

Did that interview get memory holed already?

Have you looked at GlobalCovidSummit.org last I checked Malone still has a voice there.

[Ponyryd]

Ronal McDonald house to let sick kids die if not vaxxed……..


https://thepostmillennial.com/ronald-mcdonald-house-to-evict-families-who-are-not-vaccinated

[N89]

Linkden (run by Microsoft if I recall correctly)
kicked him.

He literally had patents In His name for the base research and tech behind what is being used.

The claim that he made it all up is just another example as censorship and control.

He was highly regarded. Untill he started to speak up.

He said people should be vaccinated. But not children. Benefit vs risk reasons.


Again like i said, i did listen to him and he does make great points.

[Ponyryd]

Sorry, i am not trying to be an asshole, i really don't see it.

I’m not here to argue, or push my beliefs on anyone, if you don’t see it, I’m fine with that, no need to apologize.

[Ponyryd]

New Brunswick chose to treat with proven, cheap meds, and had huge success

https://covexit.com/new-brunswick-first-canadian-province-to-embrace-early-hydroxychloroquine-based-treatment/

[Zutz2v]

With COVID-19 cases putting Canada's hospitals at or near capacity, Quebec's unprecedented plan to tax adult residents who refuse to be vaccinated is coming under fire. https://www.cp24.com/news/plan-to-make-unvaccinated-people-pay-additional-tax-constitutionally-vulnerable-ccla-1.5736707


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[Zutz2v]

See what I mean ? NO CHOICE


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[Zutz2v]

https://truthtellernl.wordpress.com/2022/01/12/heartbreaking-ronald-mcdonald-house-evicts-family-of-4-years-over-vaccine-status/


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[Mellow Yellow]

Linkden (run by Microsoft if I recall correctly)
kicked him.

He literally had patents In His name for the base research and tech behind what is being used.

The claim that he made it all up is just another example as censorship and control.

He was highly regarded. Untill he started to speak up.

He said people should be vaccinated. But not children. Benefit vs risk reasons.

Doesn't look like he patented it, but did work on it.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w

[Gr8Stang]

You make some very great points. But the data in question is bullshit because it doesn’t have anywhere near a close representation of what’s really happening. And I will explain why.

- Vax don’t follow the same rules as everyone else
Much shorter Quarantine time. ( leads to higher rates of infection)

- they don’t have to report as much ( less vaxxed people being reported out of the 80% that are already reported making the number much lower then it is)

- if your filling out a covid questionnaire and your Vax it asks you to disregard any symptoms ( sounds fishy to me, what happened to protecting everyone)

- the data doesn’t show who’s getting sick > Ontario is tracking a lot of this data. Check here: https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data/hospitalizations

- the data doesn’t show who or why people are in the icu. Just says COVID-19, not good enough. See above website....Ontario is now tracking whether they are in ICU because of COVID or diagnosed secondarily (came into hospital for something else and tested positive for COVID)

- if you don’t look at any data, and you look only at the people you know, then it’s clear as hell. I was home last week with covid and it was no worse then anyone else in the house. My wife and I are the only ones not jabbed out of 5 people. Her and my mother inlaw didn’t get it, but my brother In-law father inlaw and my self got it.

- also if you look as Israel’s data ( on 4th shot) they are almost 100% compliant and they keep going through extreme ways and ways of covid. Why ? Everyone is vaxxed and the country is locked down pretty good. Doesn’t make sense. According to the people that discovered Omicron in South Africa, it has the ability to escape the current vaccines due to its mutations. Boosters are supposed to help build more anti-bodies/cause additional immune response to help. I think Pfizer said they will be delivering an Omicron based vaccine in March?

- nobody is reporting any dangerous side effects or any problems with the vax making it look like the hero. Essentially making it one sided which is why everyone has a problem with it. ( my wife’s aunt is pro Vax and she took her first one and her lymph nodes swelled under her arm, she hasn’t recovered from it and has gone down the anxiety rabbit hole) In the U.S. they have a system called VAERS where anyone can report side effects from vaccines. There are a TON of reports for COVID Vaccines. Check out this link: https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.htmlYou can run your own reports to see the reports. Quite interesting. Canadian Fed Gov't also has an Adverse Effects webpage that you can check as well here: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety/


So when the constant pressure to take it is on when they aren’t being truthful about doesn’t look good. Especially when your not left with a choice. And I’m not even mentioning the Terrible changes in society as a result of it. Passports to go to a restaurant that anyone can be infected in ? What a joke.

That’s my rant Vic lol


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[Zutz2v]

[QUOTE=N89;407239]

I get the math, the problem is.....we are still overrunning the hospitals with sick people, despite being fully or partially vaccinated. As you point out, the fundamental problem is our weak (capacity/resources) health care system. We can only hope that this variant of the virus puts an end to the pandemic by gaining herd immunity.

This one ?


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[Gr8Stang]

[QUOTE=Gr8Stang;407253]

This one ?


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Sorry, not understanding you on what you're trying to say?

[Zutz2v]

https://globalnews.ca/news/8505269/canada-mandatory-vaccination/


Looks like vaccination won’t be a “ choice” much longer


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[Gr8Stang]

https://globalnews.ca/news/8505269/canada-mandatory-vaccination/


Looks like vaccination won’t be a “ choice” much longer


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Apparently the Feds backed off on their stance around truckers having to be vaccinated. Glad someone convinced them not to do this. We already have enough supply chain problems and subsequent impact on inflation, etc.

[ChickenLips]

Does anyone here carry life insurance (I don't).

Do you get charged more if you're a smoker?

If yes, why not let the insurance companies decide based on actuarial data whether vax or unvax is a bigger risk?

[Ponyryd]

I do, but I don’t know since I don’t smoke, but they did ask me, as well as checked my medical records and had a nurse come to my house to assess my health.

Supreme Court knocked down Biden’s dumb mandate, so that’s a step in the right direction at least.

https://apnews.com/article/business-health-ap-news-alert-3336448ae164a281732e455f3ddc04d1

[ChickenLips]

Anyone else wondering how millions of rapid tests magically became available just like that?

[ChickenLips]

Apparently the Feds backed off on their stance around truckers having to be vaccinated. Glad someone convinced them not to do this. We already have enough supply chain problems and subsequent impact on inflation, etc.

does this apply to all truckers or just Canadian nationals?

[ChickenLips]

I do, but I don’t know since I don’t smoke, but they did ask me, as well as checked my medical records and had a nurse come to my house to assess my health.

Supreme Court knocked down Biden’s dumb mandate, so that’s a step in the right direction at least.

https://apnews.com/article/business-health-ap-news-alert-3336448ae164a281732e455f3ddc04d1

As far as I know, a young male identifying as a female doesn't get a lower insurance rate. I'd guess actuarial tables and big $$ private financial interests will trump out any political fuckery to avoid payouts to higher risk demographics.

[Ponyryd]

^No idea on that.


Anyone else wondering how millions of rapid tests magically became available just like that?

Even better is how the “vaccines” are always readily-available when needed…..supply chain issues and “shortages” abound, how mysterious.

[Gr8Stang]

does this apply to all truckers or just Canadian nationals?

Breaking news.....apparently government ISN'T backing down from there stance. Just saw a newsflash on Citynews Calgary. So stupid.

https://calgary.citynews.ca/2022/01/13/feds-vaccine-canadian-truckers-2/

[Ponyryd]

Breaking news.....apparently government ISN'T backing down from there stance. Just saw a newsflash on Citynews Calgary. So stupid.

https://calgary.citynews.ca/2022/01/13/feds-vaccine-canadian-truckers-2/

Keeping inflation high by keeping the “supply chain issues” going…well done Canada.
This is not about your health.

[Snaketamer]

What else would you expect from Trudeau...believing unvaxed are extremists, racists and misogynists!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXusohY1DW8&t=23s

[Ponyryd]

All part of the plan…

[ZR]

He is such a sack of shiat.

[Screw]

Shortages….just another tin hat theory coming to the forefront
I’ll see if I can find the list

[Titanium90]

What else would you expect from Trudeau...believing unvaxed are extremists, racists and misogynists!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXusohY1DW8&t=23s

This low life can go fuck himself, and his socialist and climate obscessed party.

[hammerhead]

Breaking news.....apparently government ISN'T backing down from there stance. Just saw a newsflash on Citynews Calgary. So stupid.

https://calgary.citynews.ca/2022/01/13/feds-vaccine-canadian-truckers-2/

this is true - truckers coming back have to flash the qr code (Starts today Saturday) - if they are not vaxxed they have to get a rapid test - we have had five truckers here test positive and they had to have a rapid test to resume once they returned to work - I think eventually they will need to be vaxxed to cross into the USA but I haven't heard much about this lately

[bbriann]

I have been avoiding commenting on this thread as has others I am sure. As a nuclear electric operator with 31 years service I covid test before every visit to work site but I am generally at home planning the work remotely. My daughter new hire as nuclear operator has to test prior to each shift, it a routine thing. If covid gets into control room and shortage of licensed control room staff then the province will go dark, it's just a fact.

[Gr8Stang]

I have been avoiding commenting on this thread as has others I am sure. As a nuclear electric operator with 31 years service I covid test before every visit to work site but I am generally at home planning the work remotely. My daughter new hire as nuclear operator has to test prior to each shift, it a routine thing. If covid gets into control room and shortage of licensed control room staff then the province will go dark, it's just a fact.

Do you have to be fully vaccinated as well? Makes sense to take additional precautions (testing) to try and avoid as you said, people getting ill and not being able to maintain critical plant operations. Friend of mine works in Pickering and for those not vaccinated, they must do the rapid test 3 times a week and capture a video of it being done since its no longer done @ that plant. At least they are given a choice. I'm actually surprised they haven't been given the "get vaccinated, or be put on unpaid leave/fired".

[ChickenLips]

I have been avoiding commenting on this thread as has others I am sure. As a nuclear electric operator with 31 years service I covid test before every visit to work site but I am generally at home planning the work remotely. My daughter new hire as nuclear operator has to test prior to each shift, it a routine thing. If covid gets into control room and shortage of licensed control room staff then the province will go dark, it's just a fact.

This is a genuine risk to the base load. Given the inherent inaccuracy of the tests I'm surprised this hasn't caused brownouts or possibly worse, poorly staffed operations. I can say with confidence that unit 2 emergency cooling piping at Darlington will not fail if called upon if that's any consolation.

[bbriann]

Ok you geniuses I will not reply again...I sure you're right....

[Ponyryd]

Ok you geniuses I will not reply again...I sure you're right....

I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with you, but asking questions and possibly hoping for an answer.
So far this thread has been mostly civil, and while we all have different opinions, the only way to get an actual discussion going is to have each side present their arguments. There has been plenty of false info pushed by the media and government, as well as unconstitutional mandates that don’t seem to help anything (nor do the “vaccines”), so it’s a confusing time for many.

[Zutz2v]

I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with you, but asking questions and possibly hoping for an answer.
So far this thread has been mostly civil, and while we all have different opinions, the only way to get an actual discussion going is to have each side present their arguments. There has been plenty of false info pushed by the media and government, as well as unconstitutional mandates that don’t seem to help anything (nor do the “vaccines”), so it’s a confusing time for many.

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[Gr8Stang]

My 100 yr. old unvaccinated grandmother tested positive for COVID earlier this week. Sore throat, nasal congestion and fatigue. Our family was of course concerned. This morning she's putting on her own nail polish. :thumbsup:

[Zutz2v]

https://youtu.be/nk9jvETVwNw


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[ChickenLips]

https://youtu.be/nk9jvETVwNw


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Leaders are supposed to be representatives (employees?) of the people who elected them and act in accordance with the wished of the people they represent. Peterson asserts that Covid policy is driven by polls, essentially public opinion, not "science".

Where is the dividing line between leading, and simply following the wishes of the people? Is it leadership, or followship?

If you have a credible, credentialed scientist who says "black" and another equally credible, credentialed scientist who says "white" which scientist do you listen to?

Are scientists swayed by their own self interests, external forces, money or by virtue of being a scientist are they instantly more moral, honest and infallible?

Does public opinion get shifted by media, entertainment, cultural forces with their own agendas?

Andrew Breitbart said "politics is downstream from culture".

If this is true who is influencing the culture? Does Hollywood seem like a good source of leadership? Who is the biggest advertiser for legacy media? Big Pharma?

[5.4MarkVIII]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/more-than-one-in-four-canadians-support-jail-time-for-unvaccinated-poll


How scary is it that over a 3rd of Canadians want to deny healthcare. And almost a third are in favour of jailing people. Just for not being vaccinated.

Where does it end? Ever wonder how the nazis convinced their citizens to turn on their neighbours? This is how. Your watching it in our lifetime.


Also amusing how so many “presumably some on the left” are, all of a sudden, against socialized healthcare.

[ChickenLips]

when shortages come to roost will you blame the truckers?

[5.4MarkVIII]

when shortages come to roost will you blame the truckers?

I won’t but lots will.

[Zutz2v]

when shortages come to roost will you blame the truckers?

I’m with the truckers 100% I hope they block abs shut down the 401 on saturday. If I see that I’ll throw a BBQ for them on the dang highway.


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[bluetoy]

Common sense may be making a small comeback. How many years until it trickles to us is anyones guess though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KQKhcLRO3o&t=37s

Edit, Fixed link

[RedSN]

ahh, good one! you got me!

clicked on link....found myself on Maxime Bernier twitter page.

edit:

Edit, Fixed link
thanks
I don't disagree with the Boris speech. Just didn't enjoy getting there through MB's re-tweet


source doesn't matter. only the content
source ABSOLUTELY matters.

[5.4MarkVIII]

https://youtu.be/9KQKhcLRO3o

source doesn't matter. only the content

[5.4MarkVIII]

source ABSOLUTELY matters.

if the content is relevant and factual and it comes to someone posting a link to a video that we can all watch with our own eyes, source only matters to those who are victims of their own own confirmation bias.

[ChickenLips]

source ABSOLUTELY matters.

can you clarify? If well known German dictator said 2 + 2 = 4 is it wrong?

I understand some sources appear less credible or palatable than others. Can a good person be just as wrong as a bad person?

[Ponyryd]

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/more-than-one-in-four-canadians-support-jail-time-for-unvaccinated-poll


How scary is it that over a 3rd of Canadians want to deny healthcare. And almost a third are in favour of jailing people. Just for not being vaccinated.

Where does it end? Ever wonder how the nazis convinced their citizens to turn on their neighbours? This is how. Your watching it in our lifetime.


Also amusing how so many “presumably some on the left” are, all of a sudden, against socialized healthcare.

This is all because of elected officials and the media, nothing else. Nobody would be scared of a virus with 99.4% survivability rate without the media and govt constantly pushing it, and nobody, I mean nobody would be even thinking of “vaccinating” a child with this experimental shot-especially since it barely even affects children……except maybe brainwashed leftists, I suppose.

[5.4MarkVIII]

This is all because of elected officials and the media, nothing else. Nobody would be scared of a virus with 99.4% survivability rate without the media and govt constantly pushing it, and nobody, I mean nobody would be even thinking of “vaccinating” a child with this experimental shot-especially since it barely even affects children……except maybe brainwashed leftists, I suppose.

Yep. That’s where I draw the line. I got my two shots. I’ll get a booster if and WHEN there comes a more dangerous variant. And only if they update the boosters to match it.

My young kid will not be getting the shot. Not yet. Not till there is more data on long term effects.

This SHOULD be a reasonable stance.

[ZR]

^ Not according to our govt.

[RedSN]

can you clarify? If well known German dictator said 2 + 2 = 4 is it wrong?

I understand some sources appear less credible or palatable than others. Can a good person be just as wrong as a bad person?
Yes, a good person can be wrong, just as a bad person.

In the above case, the information presenter is VERY much politically motivated. In my opinion, that puts credibility of the content in suspect.
In the case of the above mentioned German dictator, if he said 2+2=4, and a well known theoretical physicist said 2+2=4, despite the same info/result, I’m going to trust the physicist.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Yes, a good person can be wrong, just as a bad person.

In the above case, the information presenter is VERY much politically motivated. In my opinion, that puts credibility of the content in suspect.
In the case of the above mentioned German dictator, if he said 2+2=4, and a well known theoretical physicist said 2+2=4, despite the same info/result, I’m going to trust the physicist.

I get what your saying. IF the source is only giving the information with no other sources to back up what they are saying. Then you are relying on the credibility (real or perceived) of the source

But when the source is just forwarding a video, or even giving information and providing additional sources for that information that you can easily verify.

Than it’s the content that matters.

In this case the Video was the point. Not who posted it. The same video can be found at a dozen different sites.

[ChickenLips]

Yes, a good person can be wrong, just as a bad person.

In the above case, the information presenter is VERY much politically motivated. In my opinion, that puts credibility of the content in suspect.
In the case of the above mentioned German dictator, if he said 2+2=4, and a well known theoretical physicist said 2+2=4, despite the same info/result, I’m going to trust the physicist.

what if the physicist said 5?

[mavrrrick]

Wow.. was just messaging back and forth to my old neighbor. He just got out of hospital from Covid. Was inches away from ICU. Says sucked energy out of him and lost 25 lbs in a week. Had both jabs. Now I’m questioning this shit!!


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[ZR]

https://www.transportationnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Freedom-Convoy-2022.jpg

[ZR]

https://www.transportationnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Our-Goal-is-Freedom-Freedom-Convoy-2022.jpg

[Zutz2v]

I have covid at the moment. It’s a pain in the ass because it comes and goes. I feel fine one minute then the next my head is hot and I feel faint. Very low energy. No loss of appetite tho. Lol. It’s annoying but not something I’d take a highly unpredictable jab for. On that note to anyone who has lost a relative, we’re very sorry. And we’re not trying to offend you. God bless all TMC members and their families


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[ZR]

https://www.peakprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/705711/jlwh6nwixnl4n9lbnp3ygjj2nb4ycps6.png

[Gr8Stang]

Wow.. was just messaging back and forth to my old neighbor. He just got out of hospital from Covid. Was inches away from ICU. Says sucked energy out of him and lost 25 lbs in a week. Had both jabs. Now I’m questioning this shit!!


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Both my son-in-law and his father were double vaxed and both tested positive for COVID. His father contracted it over the summer (likely Delta) was close to heading to the hospital at the peak of his symptoms, but avoided it. My son-in-law got it about a week and half ago (likely Omicron) had the whole body aches, fever, fatigue and cough, but also recovered at home after 3 tough days.

Assume they would have been worse off had they not been fully vaccinated, particularly his father.

Would be good to see that data on fully vaccinated deaths vs. unvaccinated to get a sense of how protective the vaccine is in this area. I checked out Canada.ca but it only had data from December 2020 to January 2021. Check it out here: https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#a9

I emailed Health Canada to see if they plan on updating it since it's missing a whole year of data. I'll share....IF they respond.

[Gr8Stang]

https://www.peakprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/705711/jlwh6nwixnl4n9lbnp3ygjj2nb4ycps6.png

Good! Maybe it will reverse the lunacy. Can't believe the government wants to risk further supply chain issues and economic pain.

[Ponyryd]

^Problem is, Delta doesn’t seem to be too crazy right now but Omicron is, so they will prop up the “vaccines” by saying how few have died lately-even though they mostly had the less deadly variant. Also, there are tons and tons of people who have tested positive with a home quick test that aren’t being counted-so the current numbers of “vaxxed” people who contract Covid isn’t even close to accurate, and likely 25%+ higher than the number being reported.
What I had wasn’t too bad, but I don’t know what it was cuz I did a quick test at home…..so my case wasn’t counted, nor my daughter’s.



Yep. That’s where I draw the line. I got my two shots. I’ll get a booster if and WHEN there comes a more dangerous variant. And only if they update the boosters to match it.

My young kid will not be getting the shot. Not yet. Not till there is more data on long term effects.

This SHOULD be a reasonable stance.


Sadly my 11 y/o and 14 y/o are both vaxxed now, they play sports and apparently that was the only way to join….what a screwed up system this is, use the kids as Guinea pigs just so they can enjoy team sports. A damn disgrace.

[ZR]

Economy is upside down n threatening to explode so they decided to light the fuse.

[Ponyryd]

https://www.peakprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/705711/jlwh6nwixnl4n9lbnp3ygjj2nb4ycps6.png

I fully support this, and I honestly hope these brave truckers won’t be arrested for “insurrection” or some other stupid crap.

[Ponyryd]

https://fortune.com/2022/01/18/omicron-reduce-severe-covid-infection-delta-immunity-south-africa-study/?utm_campaign=fortunemagazine&xid=soc_socialflow_facebook_FORTUNE&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0zNsOglfHyvaZ_AQS00qNtoYaS8b0PHKHSsa2y-_iPEHF7m460OBeJaFQ


A laboratory study that used samples from 23 people infected with the Omicron variant in November and December found that while those who previously caught the Delta variant could contract Omicron, those who get the Omicron strain couldn’t be infected with Delta, particularly if they have been vaccinated, the researchers said. Results among the unvaccinated were unclear, as was whether they had been previously infected.

[bluetoy]

Probably need facebook to watch it.


https://fb.watch/aEC6I4Er6P/

[ChickenLips]

Economy is upside down n threatening to explode so they decided to light the fuse.

Are negotiations more effective with or without leverage?

[ZR]

https://scontent.fybz2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/p180x540/272097589_10158594709952525_4955378364478052407_n. jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=XZRCaKX-HD0AX8CCSpy&tn=sIAsY4b1ouMGDCV3&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-2.fna&oh=00_AT_OeANCWrfBUa468nXZjJTjMwZ6CSPKs271Ucs1lNM2 Zg&oe=61EDB4C3

[ZR]

England's Plan B measures are to end from next Thursday, with mandatory face coverings in public places and Covid passports both dropped, Boris Johnson has announced

[ChickenLips]

England's Plan B measures are to end from next Thursday, with mandatory face coverings in public places and Covid passports both dropped, Boris Johnson has announced

Is science different in England?

[Gabe]

Political motivation is different in England

[ChickenLips]

what drives political motivation?

[Ponyryd]

Is science different in England?

Only different if you get caught ignoring the rules you put in place…….purely political theatre in an attempt to increase poll numbers and get re-elected. This isn’t about our health.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/19/boris-johnson-announces-end-to-all-omicron-covid-restrictions-in-england

[mavrrrick]

I have covid at the moment. It’s a pain in the ass because it comes and goes. I feel fine one minute then the next my head is hot and I feel faint. Very low energy. No loss of appetite tho. Lol. It’s annoying but not something I’d take a highly unpredictable jab for. On that note to anyone who has lost a relative, we’re very sorry. And we’re not trying to offend you. God bless all TMC members and their families


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Hey, no worries. Lost my mother April 23, 2020. No office taken brother.[emoji3]


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[5.4MarkVIII]

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I don't care who you are what your beliefs, or where you stand on the subject. EVERYONE NEEDS TO TAKE THE 15 MIN TO WATCH THIS>
reputable dr. and verifiable information
I'm angry. everyone needs to start demanding answers.
what's worse? that the numbers are being this skewed or that the media is absolutely silent.

[Mellow Yellow]

Political motivation is different in England

Just read that with the CDC is backing off of some mandatory items and changing other definitions. The “apparent” reason is the Biden needs a win on something he has been pushing in his term. With the State of the Union speech on March 1, the thought is the US government will back off everything by them.

I guess we will see

[5.4MarkVIII]

Wife got the sniffles. Tested negative the first day and then positive the following day.
Then everyone but the oldest boy got the same.
Sniffles and sore throats. That’s about it.

Seems silly not to work but will be closed for the next few days as per the rules.

Spend the morning picking away on shop stuff. But waiting on an insulation delivery. And missing parts for the heater so spent the afternoon self isolating in the bush cleaning up deadfall and collecting fire wood.

[Snaketamer]

Canadian truckers letting Justin Tru'doh know how they feel...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJG2zAkVD0g

[ChickenLips]

Will citizens or politicians feel the pain first?

Where do the opposition parties stand?

Where does the media stand?

[5.4MarkVIII]

Will citizens or politicians feel the pain first?

Where do the opposition parties stand?

Where does the media stand?

CBC BC put out an article saying the convoy was to “bring awareness to dangerous driving conditions truckers face in the winter months”

[RedSN]

Where is the dividing line between leading, and simply following the wishes of the people?
If you have a credible, credentialed scientist who says "black" and another equally credible, credentialed scientist who says "white" which scientist do you listen to ?
Are scientists swayed by their own self interests, external forces, money or by virtue of being a scientist are they instantly more moral, honest and infallible ?
Does public opinion get shifted by media, entertainment, cultural forces with their own agendas ?
Does Hollywood seem like a good source of leadership?
Who is the biggest advertiser for legacy media?
When shortages come to roost will you blame the truckers?
Can a good person be just as wrong as a bad person?
Are negotiations more effective with or without leverage?
Is science different in England?
What drives political motivation?
Will citizens or politicians feel the pain first?
Where do the opposition parties stand?
Where does the media stand?
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[5.4MarkVIII]

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What’s wrong with asking questions?

[RedSN]

Is that another question?

[5.4MarkVIII]

Is that another question?

Apparently.

[Ponyryd]

What’s wrong with asking questions?

Depends on the question, and who you ask, since your questions could be deemed “misinformation”….but not by Don of course : )

[ChickenLips]

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Does anyone give a shit about my opinion?

[Zutz2v]

Does anyone give a shit about my opinion?

Yep! And I want to hear it to!


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[ChickenLips]

Yep! And I want to hear it to!


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Are the questions posed problematic?

[True Blue]

Look at what is going on at Quebec Walmarts, how humane is this? Unvaxxed must wait in a box until a sales associate can accompany them while shopping, which can only be for pharmaceuticals and groceries.

https://www.trendsmap.com/ipx/https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ6aTeFWUAEdeoh.jpg

[Zutz2v]

Are the questions posed problematic?

Kind of ya…. They require critical thinking lmao…. GOD FORBID HAHAHAHAHA


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[Zutz2v]

Look at what is going on at Quebec Walmarts, how humane is this? Unvaxxed must wait in a box until a sales associate can accompany them while shopping, which can only be for pharmaceuticals and groceries.

https://www.trendsmap.com/ipx/https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ6aTeFWUAEdeoh.jpg

I don’t think I believe this.


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[ZR]

What I can't believe, how much effort our fearless leader has put into dividing us.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Just finished splitting about 10 cord of wood. By hand since the splitter is broke.

Home hardware also dropped off 70 bags of insulation this am.

I don’t know what all these people talking about being bored during their quarantine are on about. Being too sick to work sure is exhausting.

[Ponyryd]

Are the questions posed problematic?

Depends who you ask….they are not problematic to me, and all seem valid.

[RedSN]

Are the questions posed problematic?
They are ALL rhetorical.

[Zutz2v]

Are the questions posed problematic?

Also last I checked the riddler has been asking riddles since 1948. That’s why he’s called the riddler and not the rhetorical.

Also some people don’t understand how rhetorical questions help challenge the listeners raised doubts by emphasizing the ideas posed. Usually a problem for people who can’t critically think for themselves.


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[5.4MarkVIII]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/organizer-behind-anti-vaccine-mandate-convoy-says-it-won-t-tolerate-extremists-as-online-rhetoric-heats-up/ar-AAT8KPR?ocid=msedgntp


a half decent article although the "extremist" that they mention and wont name seems to be the reason that Facebook has removed everything regarding the protest main page. Personally i have been following the page of a few days now and not seen one post calling for any violence actually the opposite everyone calling for calm and peaceful.

[ZR]

Not seen any of that either.

[ChickenLips]

They are ALL rhetorical.

is that problematic?

[ChickenLips]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/organizer-behind-anti-vaccine-mandate-convoy-says-it-won-t-tolerate-extremists-as-online-rhetoric-heats-up/ar-AAT8KPR?ocid=msedgntp


a half decent article although the "extremist" that they mention and wont name seems to be the reason that Facebook has removed everything regarding the protest main page. Personally i have been following the page of a few days now and not seen one post calling for any violence actually the opposite everyone calling for calm and peaceful.

at what point does a protest become an insurrection?

[ZR]

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[5.4MarkVIII]

at what point is does a protest become an insurrection?
When the government in power disagrees with it.

[Zutz2v]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220126/50ced91e672de8f04b65b5fbc84f0194.jpg
Didn’t Canada say passports were a temporary thing ? And that we were going to get ride of them come March April ? Now we’re tightening up and increase passport usage that has proven itself useless ? Who knew rape was a choice by the victim.


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[Zutz2v]

Look at what is going on at Quebec Walmarts, how humane is this? Unvaxxed must wait in a box until a sales associate can accompany them while shopping, which can only be for pharmaceuticals and groceries.

https://www.trendsmap.com/ipx/https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJ6aTeFWUAEdeoh.jpg

So I apologize Anthony! Those cubicles of inhumanity are actually a real thing. I’m shocked to say the least. Usually the French are the first to not do what the government says. Who knew they turned into cucks.


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[Gr8Stang]

So I apologize Anthony! Those cubicles of inhumanity are actually a real thing. I’m shocked to say the least. Usually the French are the first to not do what the government says. Who knew they turned into cucks.


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I read today that those are for the Walmart greeters that will be checking vaccination status.

[Zutz2v]

I read today that those are for the Walmart greeters that will be checking vaccination status.

It’s messed up either way. The people who support the mandates love to look at the “ science” while the science shows Covid that messes people up is coming from long term care facilities. Not Walmarts and Costcos. Why those companies are following along makes no sense.


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[5.4MarkVIII]

It’s messed up either way. The people who support the mandates love to look at the “ science” while the science shows Covid that messes people up is coming from long term care facilities. Not Walmarts and Costcos. Why those companies are following along makes no sense.


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because if they don't follow the rules then the government comes in with fines and lockdowns. my worries is we have not be told anything at work about having to check for cards. this almost looks like preparation for another round of lockdowns knowing that that is what they will have to do to justify to the public why they can stay open while others have to close again.

[ZR]

To me, it's about a do gooder in a position of power overreaching. Exactly like our boy in Ottawa. Bet he's in the bathroom touching himself he's so excited, didn't have to take the heat from making vax a law, instead left it up to the provinces n business's to decide for us how things are going to play out.

[Zutz2v]

To me, it's about a do gooder in a position of power overreaching. Exactly like our boy in Ottawa. Bet he's in the bathroom touching himself he's so excited, didn't have to take the heat from making vax a law, instead left it up to the provinces n business's to decide for us how things are going to play out.

News reported he’s home in quarantine g because he was exposed. He’s just a coward using his stupidity to hide from the protest.


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[Ponyryd]

News reported he’s home in quarantine g because he was exposed. He’s just a coward using his stupidity to hide from the protest.


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He’s not even positive? Just was exposed? Lmao

[Mellow Yellow]

Here is something to chew on.

Insurance companies live for data. That's how they make money betting you won't die, crash, etc. before a certain time. Actuaries live and breath data regarding life expectancy and such.
When the data skews, they get worried.


One very telling clue that recently came to light is life insurance data. According to OneAmerica, a national life insurance company based in Indianapolis, in the third quarter of 2021, working-age Americans (aged 18 to 64) died at a rate that is 40% higher than the pre pandemic rate, and they didn’t die from COVID.
And, according to CEO Scott Davidson, this catastrophic abnormality is consistently seen “across every player” in the life insurance industry.
A 40% increase in mortality is simply unheard of, and as of yet, they claim to have no clue as to what’s causing young and middle-aged people to die prematurely at such an astounding rate.

[ZR]

^ If correct, stat is alarming.

[Laffs]

I mean, almost two years of increased stress, drinking, isolation, and more sedentary lifestyles choices alarming but sort of not shocking

[92redragtop]

I mean, almost two years of increased stress, drinking, isolation, and more sedentary lifestyles choices alarming but sort of not shocking

Actually, when you read his actual statement and watch his video he is saying deaths are up in the working age group during pandemic versus pre-pandemic - he notes it's not all COVID but a combination of COVID plus other causes (he does not give a mix or weighting); the latter could be the result of hospitals being overwhelmed with COVID patients so there may be an increase in disability claims as a result. What he does not share is whether the deaths went from 10 to 14 (40%) or what the scale was.

It's a great talking point to share without context though.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Actually, when you read his actually statement and watch his video he is saying deaths are up in the working age group during pandemic versus pre-pandemic - he notes it's not all COVID but a combination of COVID plus other causes (he does not give a mix or weighting); the latter could be the result of hospitals being overwhelmed with COVID patients so there may be an increase in disability claims as a result. What he does not share is whether the deaths went from 10 to 14 (40%) or what the scale was.

It's a great talking point to share without context though.

So EXACTLY how they have been reporting covid deaths.

Good to know.

[92redragtop]

That's not what he said but ok.

[5.4MarkVIII]

combination of covid plus other causes. ignoring outside factors like hospital capacity, ect. lack of full information on number changes to give detailed image.

yep seems exactly like how they have been reporting covid deaths all along to me,

[92redragtop]

That's not what he said if I understand your interpretation of what he said. Let's agree to disagree.

[Ponyryd]

Can somebody please explain to me why a child would need 3 shots? The likelihood of a child dying or becoming seriously ill from Covid is astronomical, and the “vaccines” have not been tested for long-term side effects, yet they want to inject kids with 3????? What kind of person would support this, or even consider supporting this? This is clown world stuff, plain and simple.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/26/kids-under-4-will-get-3-doses-of-covid-19-vaccine-fauci/


The White House said Wednesday that the COVID-19 vaccine regime for kids younger than 4 years old will likely be three doses when it’s approved — and vowed to make millions more hard-to-find Pfizer anti-viral pills available in coming months.

[Ponyryd]

Double post…

[5.4MarkVIII]

Double post…

Since the actual science shows that a young male has a greater chance of miocartotis (sp?) from a vaccine than a severe case of covid. It’s a legitimate question.

Simple answer is always follow the money.

But then again all of a sudden everyone loves big pharma and even remotely hinting that they (Pfizer) have doubled their profits AND have more lobbyists in government than the average person has representation, gets you labeled an anti Vaxer.

[Zutz2v]

Since the actual science shows that a young male has a greater chance of miocartotis (sp?) from a vaccine than a severe case of covid. It’s a legitimate question.

Simple answer is always follow the money.

But then again all of a sudden everyone loves big pharma and even remotely hinting that they (Pfizer) have doubled their profits AND have more lobbyists in government than the average person has representation, gets you labeled an anti Vaxer.

To add to your point, Western Medicine has never aimed to cure people. Only to create customers. Hence why Israel is on shot 4 and still in crisis.


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[Ponyryd]

Since the actual science shows that a young male has a greater chance of miocartotis (sp?) from a vaccine than a severe case of covid. It’s a legitimate question.

Simple answer is always follow the money.

But then again all of a sudden everyone loves big pharma and even remotely hinting that they (Pfizer) have doubled their profits AND have more lobbyists in government than the average person has representation, gets you labeled an anti Vaxer.


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[ZR]

^ Yes they most certainly have.

[5.4MarkVIII]

The covid has descended. Follow up on my earlier post.

Wife running nose mild symptoms tested positive last Friday. Youngest som upset stomach tested positive Sunday am.
Eldest son runny nose. Tested positive. Wednesday am.

Friday evening started to feel a bit of chills.
Today has been aches and headache with a doozy of a cough.

Hopefully like the rest I’ll be right as rain by tomorrow. We have been following isolation requirements. Which kinda sucks cuz it means I’ve been off all week lots of people waiting for service but for the most part being understanding.
can go back Wednesday if my symptoms Clear up.

Wife was already back to work since she tested positive she only needed the 5 days.

right up until today I was banging of a fare bit of work around the house and shop. Hopefully turn around quick and I’ll be able to get the roof insulated before I have to go back. Lol

Enjoy gents.

[Zutz2v]

The covid has descended. Follow up on my earlier post.

Wife running nose mild symptoms tested positive last Friday. Youngest som upset stomach tested positive Sunday am.
Eldest son runny nose. Tested positive. Wednesday am.

Friday evening started to feel a bit of chills.
Today has been aches and headache with a doozy of a cough.

Hopefully like the rest I’ll be right as rain by tomorrow. We have been following isolation requirements. Which kinda sucks cuz it means I’ve been off all week lots of people waiting for service but for the most part being understanding.
can go back Wednesday if my symptoms Clear up.

Wife was already back to work since she tested positive she only needed the 5 days.

right up until today I was banging of a fare bit of work around the house and shop. Hopefully turn around quick and I’ll be able to get the roof insulated before I have to go back. Lol

Enjoy gents.

Be mindful for yourself, I had this 2 weeks ago abs went back to work because I felt fine 4 days later. I came home day 5 with chills then I was in bed 2 days with chills body aches and fevers. It was only 38 but still.


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[5.4MarkVIII]

Be mindful for yourself, I had this 2 weeks ago abs went back to work because I felt fine 4 days later. I came home day 5 with chills then I was in bed 2 days with chills body aches and fevers. It was only 38 but still.


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Keeping an eye on it. Had something pre Christmas. Runny nose about a half day with some chills. Went away after a day never tested positive.

But have had a cough that won’t let go since then.

Been testing weekly and even now only getting negative results.

Just playing it cautious due to the large number of people I see a day including those who are high risk.

[Zutz2v]

Keeping an eye on it. Had something pre Christmas. Runny nose about a half day with some chills. Went away after a day never tested positive.

But have had a cough that won’t let go since then.

Been testing weekly and even now only getting negative results.

Just playing it cautious due to the large number of people I see a day including those who are high risk.

Ya once you get the cough from any cold I notice it doesn’t like to piss off. Either way I’m glad your family is ok. Speedy recovery to the family brother!


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[Ponyryd]

Ya once you get the cough from any cold I notice it doesn’t like to piss off. Either way I’m glad your family is ok. Speedy recovery to the family brother!


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I still have my cough 3 weeks later, but I feel fine otherwise.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Ya once you get the cough from any cold I notice it doesn’t like to piss off. Either way I’m glad your family is ok. Speedy recovery to the family brother!


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i have asthma so this is my experience with most colds as well. as soon as it sets in it there for a long time.

[ZR]

Ontario's science table has pointed to evidence that two doses of an mRNA vaccine have about 35 per cent effectiveness against Omicron infection 14 weeks after receiving a second dose, while three doses can offer 75 per cent protection in the first month.
When it comes to preventing not just infection, but severe illness and death, that booster dose can be 90 per cent effective or more, said infectious diseases physician Dr. Andrew Morris.
"We know that for most people, after the second dose, because of the time since when they got the last dose, immunity has waned pretty substantially and so it's not nearly as protective as it was," he said.

[Screw]

Didn’t Moore finally say we gotta learn to live with it ? And to reverse the fear instilled over the last 2 yrs ?

[ZR]

^ Most certainly did.



Ontario's top doc once again underscored the importance of balance, saying "we have to look at the mental, the physical, the social, the economic and the educational impacts that this virus has had on our children and our businesses, and learn from the last two years that sometimes we were too cautious."
"It'll never be exactly right for everybody and it's healthy to have debate, but we do have to have a balanced response to this virus and learn to live with it."

[Zutz2v]

Ontario's science table has pointed to evidence that two doses of an mRNA vaccine have about 35 per cent effectiveness against Omicron infection 14 weeks after receiving a second dose, while three doses can offer 75 per cent protection in the first month.
When it comes to preventing not just infection, but severe illness and death, that booster dose can be 90 per cent effective or more, said infectious diseases physician Dr. Andrew Morris.
"We know that for most people, after the second dose, because of the time since when they got the last dose, immunity has waned pretty substantially and so it's not nearly as protective as it was," he said.

Wow, it took this guy a single breath to make a bold claim and contradict it. Shake my head.


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[92redragtop]

Wow, it took this guy a single breath to make a bold claim and contradict it. Shake my head.


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How did you get that from that paragraph?

[ChickenLips]

Word choice changes perception. Drug, therapeutic, vaccine. All 3 words are applicable.

[ZR]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DojvefRlkwo

[ZR]

This is def worth taking a minute to watch (out of Australia).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUq4YCxYbjc

[ZR]

Take note, Trudeau is replying remotely due to having tested positive for Covid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq6G96fyAVg

[Ponyryd]

Am I the only one who can’t see the video links?

[RAT ATK]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ciuRLFLoLL0&feature=youtu.be

Don’t think that this is a new video

Actually from Feb 1st.

[RAT ATK]

https://youtu.be/Kjjihr_GCu8

Great speech from Brian Peckford, one of the original premieres responsible for our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

[ZR]

BP for PM

[Mellow Yellow]

Austria is making vaccinations mandatory.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/austria-vaccine-mandate-effect-emulating-82668636

[Ponyryd]

Austria is making vaccinations mandatory.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/austria-vaccine-mandate-effect-emulating-82668636

Strange, that mandate would go violate the nuremberg code, meaning it would be fairly illegal if it takes effect…..unless Australia isn’t part of that?

[5.4MarkVIII]

Posted in wrong post

[5.4MarkVIII]

Same

[ZR]

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BREAKING: NBA legend Shaquille O'Neal speaks out against vaccine mandates"Look, I encourage everyone to be safe and take care of your family, I do. But there's still some people that don't want to take it. And you shouldn't have to be forced to take something you don't want," O'Neal said to his Thursday guest.

[ZR]

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[Mellow Yellow]

Strange, that mandate would go violate the nuremberg code, meaning it would be fairly illegal if it takes effect…..unless Australia isn’t part of that?

It’s Austria. What’s really ironic is the similarities to pre WWII.

[ChickenLips]

I saw an interview with senator Robert Kennedy where he discussed big pharma immunity from prosecution. Vaccines administered during "emergency use" mandates are immune from lawsuits. This immunity is lifted when emergency use is lifted. If the vaccine gets rolled into "approved childhood vaccines" it is immune from lawsuits under normal circumstances. Things that make you go hmmm

[Mellow Yellow]

I saw an interview with senator Robert Kennedy where he discussed big pharma immunity from prosecution. Vaccines administered during "emergency use" mandates are immune from lawsuits. This immunity is lifted when emergency use is lifted. If the vaccine gets rolled into "approved childhood vaccines" it is immune from lawsuits under normal circumstances. Things that make you go hmmm

Regarding the authorizations; if you really want to see what Dr Fauci is all about, search the HIV/AIDS and the drug AZT fiasco.

[92redragtop]

Regarding the authorizations; if you really want to see what Dr Fauci is all about, search the HIV/AIDS and the drug AZT fiasco.

There is a lot of misinformation on that topic especially coming from the red cap factions (whose previous generation refused to acknowledge or do anything from the top (Reagan admin) until it was widespread n terms of infections and deaths, and hard to ignore)....then they take a cancer drug and re-purposed it (still used today for HIV/AIDS treatment).

[Ponyryd]

^What a surprise, lol.

[Mellow Yellow]

There is a lot of misinformation on that topic especially coming from the red cap factions (whose previous generation refused to acknowledge or do anything from the top (Reagan admin) until it was widespread n terms of infections and deaths, and hard to ignore)....then they take a cancer drug and re-purposed it (still used today for HIV/AIDS treatment).

The primary issue is the short circuited double blind clinical research, the fact AZT was extremely toxic, the fact he lied to Congress. There is documented evidence of this.

And he has done it again with the mRNA therapies. This here is the BIGGEST reason I will not take these therapies.

[92redragtop]

The primary issue is the short circuited double blind clinical research, the fact AZT was extremely toxic, the fact he lied to Congress. There is documented evidence of this.

And he has done it again with the mRNA therapies. This here is the BIGGEST reason I will not take these therapies.

Again, is the documented evidence the actual footage or transcript or presented partially by another party (possibly partial and/or without context). There are agendas on all sides. The folks on one side on this were protesting the side effects of AZT (for HIV/AIDS specifically because it was already in use for years for cancer) but they were also protesting not having access to it because of Reagan's denial there was an issue (or that it didn't affect the heteros so not a problem).

[Mellow Yellow]

Again, is the documented evidence the actual footage or transcript or presented partially by another party (possibly partial and/or without context). There are agendas on all sides. The folks on one side on this were protesting the side effects of AZT (for HIV/AIDS specifically because it was already in use for years for cancer) but they were also protesting not having access to it because of Reagan's denial there was an issue (or that it didn't affect the heteros so not a problem).

You got a few hours? Because I can give you all the links you need.

[92redragtop]

Sure - but only the ones of direct video of testimony or the actual Congressional transcripts (nothing filtered through an outlet or where opinion has been added)

[ZR]

Saskatchewan and Quebec announced plans to lift COVID-19 restrictions Tuesday, saying it will increasingly be up to citizens to assess the risks they face from the virus.
Prince Edward Island also outlined plans to end most restrictions early in April, with Premier Dennis King cautioning that the loosening is not a declaration of victory. "COVID is still with us, and it will be with us," he said.
Saskatchewan is going the furthest, as Premier Scott Moe said the province will no longer require COVID-19 vaccine passports as of Monday and will not renew its indoor mask mandate when it expires at the end of March.

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FILE - Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe speaks during the Saskatchewan Party 2021 Convention in Saskatoon, Sask., Saturday, Nov. 6, 2021. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Liam Richards



Moe told reporters in Regina that the policy requiring people to show proof of vaccination or a recent negative COVID-19 test to dine at restaurants, go to bars or purchase liquor is divisive and has "run its course."
He said the policy was warranted in the fall, when the province was facing the Delta variant of the novel coronavirus, but vaccines do not provide sufficient protection against Omicron transmission to justify it now.
"During that Delta wave, I do believe that the benefits of this policy most certainly did outweigh the costs," Moe said. "But today, as we deal with a very different strain, the Omicron variant, the benefits of this policy no longer outweigh the costs."
Moe said it will be up to people in the province to do their own "personal risk assessment" when deciding whether to attend events, or wear masks once the provincial mandate ends.
Dr. Saqib Shahab, Saskatchewan's chief medical health officer, said hospitalizations in the province -- which now only releases COVID-19 data once a week -- are currently peaking or will peak soon.
In Quebec, which has seen some of the country's strictest public health measures, Premier Francois Legault detailed a plan that would see most restrictions lifted by March 14.
Starting Saturday, there will no longer be any legal restrictions on private gatherings, and other measures will be removed gradually, including a reopening of bars on Feb. 28 and full houses allowed in the province's largest hockey arenas as of March 14.
Legault echoed Moe in calling on people to use their judgment about what is safe.
"We'll have to learn how live with the virus," he told a news conference in Quebec City. "What does that mean? It means that each person will have to evaluate their own risks. 'I'm with how many people? How many have three doses? How many are over 60?' "
But Health Minister Christian Dube said the province's vaccine passport system is staying, and interim public health director Dr. Luc Boileau said indoor mask wearing will remain mandatory in public spaces until at least March 14.
In Prince Edward Island, the government will start to ease COVID-19 public health restrictions starting Feb. 17, as part of a three-step plan that will see an end to most restrictions around April 7, King said.
Saskatchewan's Moe also called on the federal government to announce a plan to lift restrictions on federally regulated industries. Those comments came shortly after a Liberal member of Parliament said federal COVID-19 measures, such as vaccination mandates for travellers and civil servants, need to be re-evaluated and the public needs a clear road map for when restrictions will be fully lifted.
Joel Lightbound, MP for a Quebec City riding, told reporters in Ottawa that he thinks his own government's policies are divisive and risk undermining public trust. Lightbound said governments shouldn't "demonize" people who have legitimate concerns about COVID-19 policies.

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"They're worried that measures which ought to be exceptional and limited in time are being normalized, with no end in sight, like vaccine passports, mandates and requirements for travellers," he said. "They're worried because they feel they feel it is becoming harder and harder to know where public health stops and where politics begins."
Other provinces have said they are also looking at easing their COVID-19 measures. Alberta was to hold a news conference later Tuesday, while Manitoba and Ontario have said they are prepared to loosen restrictions in the coming weeks.

[Zutz2v]

Saskatchewan and Quebec announced plans to lift COVID-19 restrictions Tuesday, saying it will increasingly be up to citizens to assess the risks they face from the virus.
Prince Edward Island also outlined plans to end most restrictions early in April, with Premier Dennis King cautioning that the loosening is not a declaration of victory. "COVID is still with us, and it will be with us," he said.
Saskatchewan is going the furthest, as Premier Scott Moe said the province will no longer require COVID-19 vaccine passports as of Monday and will not renew its indoor mask mandate when it expires at the end of March.

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FILE - Saskatchewan Premier Scott Moe speaks during the Saskatchewan Party 2021 Convention in Saskatoon, Sask., Saturday, Nov. 6, 2021. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Liam Richards



Moe told reporters in Regina that the policy requiring people to show proof of vaccination or a recent negative COVID-19 test to dine at restaurants, go to bars or purchase liquor is divisive and has "run its course."
He said the policy was warranted in the fall, when the province was facing the Delta variant of the novel coronavirus, but vaccines do not provide sufficient protection against Omicron transmission to justify it now.
"During that Delta wave, I do believe that the benefits of this policy most certainly did outweigh the costs," Moe said. "But today, as we deal with a very different strain, the Omicron variant, the benefits of this policy no longer outweigh the costs."
Moe said it will be up to people in the province to do their own "personal risk assessment" when deciding whether to attend events, or wear masks once the provincial mandate ends.
Dr. Saqib Shahab, Saskatchewan's chief medical health officer, said hospitalizations in the province -- which now only releases COVID-19 data once a week -- are currently peaking or will peak soon.
In Quebec, which has seen some of the country's strictest public health measures, Premier Francois Legault detailed a plan that would see most restrictions lifted by March 14.
Starting Saturday, there will no longer be any legal restrictions on private gatherings, and other measures will be removed gradually, including a reopening of bars on Feb. 28 and full houses allowed in the province's largest hockey arenas as of March 14.
Legault echoed Moe in calling on people to use their judgment about what is safe.
"We'll have to learn how live with the virus," he told a news conference in Quebec City. "What does that mean? It means that each person will have to evaluate their own risks. 'I'm with how many people? How many have three doses? How many are over 60?' "
But Health Minister Christian Dube said the province's vaccine passport system is staying, and interim public health director Dr. Luc Boileau said indoor mask wearing will remain mandatory in public spaces until at least March 14.
In Prince Edward Island, the government will start to ease COVID-19 public health restrictions starting Feb. 17, as part of a three-step plan that will see an end to most restrictions around April 7, King said.
Saskatchewan's Moe also called on the federal government to announce a plan to lift restrictions on federally regulated industries. Those comments came shortly after a Liberal member of Parliament said federal COVID-19 measures, such as vaccination mandates for travellers and civil servants, need to be re-evaluated and the public needs a clear road map for when restrictions will be fully lifted.
Joel Lightbound, MP for a Quebec City riding, told reporters in Ottawa that he thinks his own government's policies are divisive and risk undermining public trust. Lightbound said governments shouldn't "demonize" people who have legitimate concerns about COVID-19 policies.

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"They're worried that measures which ought to be exceptional and limited in time are being normalized, with no end in sight, like vaccine passports, mandates and requirements for travellers," he said. "They're worried because they feel they feel it is becoming harder and harder to know where public health stops and where politics begins."
Other provinces have said they are also looking at easing their COVID-19 measures. Alberta was to hold a news conference later Tuesday, while Manitoba and Ontario have said they are prepared to loosen restrictions in the coming weeks.

Quebec says it’s going to ease restrictions. But says it’s keeping the vaccine passport policy in place. So in other words No it’s not.


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[Ponyryd]

Make an announcement….but plan no real changes, lol.
I must say I was not expecting anything to happen in Quebec for a while, despite how many truckers live there

[5.4MarkVIII]

Not sure if this was shared yet. Information released after a freedom of information request to the BC government.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/enSearch/detail?id=26EE74C124B8476EA280E7A3C823A2D8&recorduid=HTH-2021-13906&keyword=admissions&fbclid=IwAR0hIuSc4cRegZFm65k9my7d9NsmBcEKCxH826AS_ oHAZUBRpaKbCpJ2ACY

[5.4MarkVIII]

They said they were following the science. Now that studies are coming out it looks like they were wrong. So what where they following?

https://youtu.be/rfyOihhAD4A

Not bad for a “horse dewormer”

[bluetoy]

There's no money to be made when using an existing drug

[5.4MarkVIII]

There's no money to be made when using an existing drug

Sad with peoples lives on the line but looking more and more like that’s the truth of it.

What’s most disturbing is the number of people with seemingly nothing to gain, so willing to carry the water for them.

[ChickenLips]

Sad with peoples lives on the line but looking more and more like that’s the truth of it.

What’s most disturbing is the number of people with seemingly nothing to gain, so willing to carry the water for them.

that's the segment of society that will swallow whatever this weeks narrative is. Not just this topic, but every topic.

[RedSN]

edit myself.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Topic has been discussed. Just sharing because now the science of finally “catching up”

We are getting answers to questions that should have and could have been answered a long time ago.

I don’t know the motivation.

But I do know that there was a big shift in “the science” that fell in line just before the State of the Union. And then days later even SNL did a 180 and had a skit poking fun and vaccine crazy people.

It’s disturbing how things are covered vs not covered. Or approved vs vilified. Depending on what narrative is being pushed.

My standing has been the same all along in regards to Ivermectin. It’s safe, cheap and it might help. Why not use it. If it turns out to work. Great maybe saved some lives. If it ends up not having a positive effect on covid. It’s a virtually harmless drug so no big deal.

Seemed like a no brainer to me.

[ZR]

There's no money to be made when using an existing drug

Especially when it's an existing drug that costs virtually nothing.

[Zutz2v]

Topic has been discussed. Just sharing because now the science of finally “catching up”

We are getting answers to questions that should have and could have been answered a long time ago.

I don’t know the motivation.

But I do know that there was a big shift in “the science” that fell in line just before the State of the Union. And then days later even SNL did a 180 and had a skit poking fun and vaccine crazy people.

It’s disturbing how things are covered vs not covered. Or approved vs vilified. Depending on what narrative is being pushed.

My standing has been the same all along in regards to Ivermectin. It’s safe, cheap and it might help. Why not use it. If it turns out to work. Great maybe saved some lives. If it ends up not having a positive effect on covid. It’s a virtually harmless drug so no big deal.

Seemed like a no brainer to me.

Your thought are always greatly appreciated! Thanks for sharing the Video.


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[Ponyryd]

Worst part is, nothing will happen to those that pushed this nonsense on us-nothing.

In before BFF, lol.

[ChickenLips]

the "fine people, drinking bleach, horse paste" believers won't change their opinion

[92redragtop]

They said they were following the science. Now that studies are coming out it looks like they were wrong. So what where they following?

https://youtu.be/rfyOihhAD4A

Not bad for a “horse dewormer”

I don't follow his channel but is he monetized on Youtube (ie. is there a profit motive?). Is he a medical doctor or is that a persona?

[5.4MarkVIII]

did you watch the video? I'm guessing not

in the video if shows and summarized, studies that are peer reviewed and published in medical journals. he showed information directly from government sources.

you always ask for sources this guy gives them 100% of the time so you switch and question his character.

it doesn't matter is the information is presented by Big Bird, if the sources are given and the information sound

for the record. he is more of a Dr than DR jill Biden.

he has degrees from multiple reputable universities in medicine, pharmaceutical and research. he has worked in the medical field and as a senior lecture.

his actual expertise is in Nursing and MEDICAL REASERCH.

so more of a reputable source than any news anchor thats been spreading lies for the last 2 years.

[92redragtop]

So comparing to Dr. Jill Biden??

[ChickenLips]

is ad hominem all you've got for anything you disagree with?

[92redragtop]

I'm asking questions - I think someone else here does that too.

[ChickenLips]

I'm asking questions - I think someone else here does that too.

thats a yes

[Ponyryd]

I'm asking questions - I think someone else here does that too.

Your questions are irrelevant in relation to the video/data, and actually seem more like reaching in an attempt to discredit.

[5.4MarkVIII]

So comparing to Dr. Jill Biden??

would a PHD in a medical field and experience in medical research not make them a DR.

i've been led to believe that Dr biden MUST be treated with respect and admiration and she has a phd in education.

you always choose to ignore the substance and try an discredit. to the point that i can just name drop DR biden and I know when I post, that is what you will focus on. that was the only reason i said that. and i was correct again.

if you refute the data then please feel free to post your sources. otherwise, BF again?