Liberal leader hopeful gets caught up in a pool zoning issue

[83 5.0]

Looks like another politician ignoring the rules, went ahead with a pool install without the proper permits. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/steven-del-duca-public-private-pool-1.5477017
Hope he has to fill it in.

[Snaketamer]

'Better to ask forgiveness than permission'....

[RedSN]

It’s now a public pool. Pool party at Del Duca’s!


Del Duca concedes they continued with construction and finished the pool anyway.

[Burns]

From the comments section:

You want the top job lawmaker job in Ontario and you 1. Cannot be bothered to follow the law and get the proper building permit(s) and 2. Because you're breaking the law, it will cost you money to remove your precious pool, you want to take protected lands from the people so you can float in your law-breaking pool? No, Mr. Del Duca, you are not a suitable candidate for the leadership by any stretch of the imagination. You cannot be trusted with small matters of law, we certainly cannot trust you with bigger ones.

[Armen]

Wouldn’t it be up to the contractor to secure the proper permits? If the property owner is told by his contractor all is well and then gets a notice from the city that there’s a problem, is it the contractors problem or the property owners?

[Hutch]

Wouldn’t it be up to the contractor to secure the proper permits? If the property owner is told by his contractor all is well and then gets a notice from the city that there’s a problem, is it the contractors problem or the property owners?

Property owner is ultimately responsible

[Quicksilver]

As a contractor I tell all of my clients, emphatically, that a permit is required. Unfortunately, many municipalities put up huge roadblocks to obtaining such permits. A couple of years ago, I had a homeowner in Mississauga apply for a permit to replace an existing deck. After 18 months, 4 visits to the building department by the homeowner and two visits by my self to the officials involved, the homeowner succeeded in getting the permit only by lobbying his local MP. Another homeowner applied for a permit and it took Two years to get it, also for a deck. In the end they did it without a permit. I many instances, the homeowner is simply not allowed to build what he wants, often for what seems arbitrary reasons.
If the homeowner declines the hassle of getting a permit, then sometimes I will build the project anyway. However, I always check property lines, easements and restrictions, advising the homeowner of such, and will refuse to build anything that's "over the line" so to speak. I also adhere strictly to the Ontario Building code(OBC). I have never had a deck refused for inspection of structure.

[Laffs]

Property owner is ultimately responsible

Correct. Normally is stipulated in the bid/contract as to if the contractor has included a price for them to obtain the permits on behalf of the owner or if the owner is to obtain them on their own and provide to contractor. But the onus is on the home owner to ensure the work is all being completed with permits. Now, if the contractor stipulated they were obtaining permits and never actually obtained them that's a different legal battle. But even in that situation home owner was technically supposed to ensure proper permits pulled and posted prior to work start and inspections are passed.

Sounds to me like what happened was the GC told the client "Hey we should get a permit, but if you do its $xxxx in additional costs and we may not be able to build it the way you want. So lets shake it and roll em" and they rolled snake eyes.

[92redragtop]

Sounds to me like what happened was the GC told the client "Hey we should get a permit, but if you do its $xxxx in additional costs and we may not be able to build it the way you want. So lets shake it and roll em" and they rolled snake eyes.

So - lawmaker not following the law......

[83 5.0]

this should be held up as a prime example of the need for smaller government, less red tape.

while shafting this official is satisfying in the short term it highlights the larger issue of the total bullshit of the permitting process.

government should not be obstructing

At one time I would have agreed, but given human nature (and industry self regulation failures) I don't trust business or individuals to make the right call any longer. They are like kids in the school yard without supervision.

[83 5.0]

Doesn't affect me currently, but I did install an above ground pool, deck, widen my driveway to 3 cars(as long as I didn't widen the curb cut everything was okay when I applied for the permits here in Oakville). Only snafu was when I went to order the disposal bins/leave gravel on the road, didn't realise you need a permit to leave them on the street overnight, but the people at the town here quickly put the paper work together so it didn't slow up our scheduling. I have a NIMBY neighbour, so made sure everything was in order.

[RedSN]

Former cabinet minister Steven Del Duca elected new Ontario Liberal leader
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/liberal-leader-ontario-convention-del-duca-1.5489944

I guess the Libs are okay with their leader not following the rules. He’s perfect leadership material.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Not a surprise

[ZR]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/liberal-leader-ontario-convention-del-duca-1.5489944

I guess the Libs are okay with their leader not following the rules. He’s perfect leadership material.

Makes him perfect.