Thinking About Supercharging

[Dilbert]

Lots to choose from on the market, I’m concerned about how it will change driving the car, besides the obvious :-). Anyone have thoughts or comments?
I have a 2019 PP2.

[newbiestangowner]

Increased weight front end affecting balance / handling to some degree but are we racing road course for professional time and prize money?

- Increased gas consumption ( on the loud peddle)
-increased wear rear tire ( from a dig)
- increased potential for speeding tickets

I doubt adding boost will make your car the worse handling car you could imagine.

So in other words I’m “pro boost”
Especially if you feel u need more beef- but I’m biased( I drive a slo turd):)

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[bbriann]

Lots to choose from on the market, I’m concerned about how it will change driving the car, besides the obvious :-). Anyone have thoughts or comments?
I have a 2019 PP2.

Just be aware BOOST can be addictive...LOL

[Minaccia]

Stick with a Vortech/Paxton style blower and with a good tune the car will drive like a dream for 10 years plus and the fuel consumption isn't that bad but be prepared to spend $14,000 - $16,000 for everything including installation, tuning and taxes.

[ZR]

If you bought a PP II car because it's handling features are important to you, will likely be disappointed how much the super charger hurts the cars amazing balance.

[Dilbert]

Yes ZR, this is my big worry. Now I’m rid of the club sport S tires, the car has an almost zen-like behaviour on the street.

Thanks everyone for your input so far!

[ZR]

Out of the box, PPII is flat out amazing.
Come on out to our spring track day, may change your mind about need for more squeeze.

[Armen]

I have a 2015 GT convertible with a Roush TVS 2300 slapped on. I track my car (road course, non competitive lapping days) a couple times of year and I didn't really notice a huge difference in handling, nor did the front end feel noticeably heavier or less nimble.

I went with the Roush because it comes with a limited warranty from a qualified Ford dealer installer (assuming you retain the Roush tune). I also love how it looks under the hood. I have no complaints with the unit at all. I also didn't find that it really noticeably reduced fuel economy either, but then again, I just primarily cruise in the car.

I personally feel that the pros outweigh the cons.

[RedSN]

AND he hasn’t sold the car yet.

[Speedtospare]

only thing I can add is the extra wear on the front crank bearings.

[hammerhead]

one thing that would concern me is the 12:1 compression your engine has - typically boost was reserved for lower compression engines. I'm not an engineer but that would be my main concern - cornering and handling can vary from driver to driver and a set up on a car may be great and work great for one driver and the very same car and setup may not work the same for the next driver - but those cars feel very balanced in the front and the weight could upset corner entry a bit or cause some understeer or oversteer throughout a corner or two, but that can be remedied - but my biggest concern would be the engines compression and maybe want to upgrade the oiling system as well...good to here from you again! I don't think the boost would be much advantage on the road course but would be huge if your motives are to drag race - if its just track days and cruising and its what you want cool...!!

[ALLKHEINZ]

First id ask myself the reason your supercharging? If your doing it without road coursing or drag racing then its a complete waste as the current laws will find your car impounded quite easily as 50km/hr over is easy to do without a blower....however if you do plan to boost the car being a stick i would opt for a centri setup like Vortech or Paxton....BUT there are a few things that 99% of the local folks dont do which is almost a MUST....that is adding Billet Oil Pump and Crank Gear to the build....this in itself will likely add $2000 CAD to the build for the parts and install cost....most of the engine failures will be 1 of 2 things...a bad tune or loss off the Oil Pump....I wouldnt worry about the 12:1 compression, its all in the tune....i cringe when i hear about some cars tuned locally to over 750-800+ and gobs of boost on 94 Octane....I personally dont exceed about 675 rwhp on 94 octane, i also have a second tune for 100+ octane which generally picks up 75-100 rwhp for track use....remember the weak links of the car will be the transmission, the MT82 is notorious for breaking, the shift fork has been known to break on many 18's and they may have fixed that for the 19 model year.....the clutch is also going to be a weak point, the lockout issue that people talk about is not a trans issue, you canthrow whatever ever shifter at it or support bracket or transmission oil, the issue is the factory clutch....so if your thinking of slamming gears be prepared to break stuff....i suggest a swap to nothing less then a Mcleod RST clutch....I suggest a remote tune session with one of the American tuners like Lund Racing or Palm Beach Dyno....they pretty much have the coyote game on lock down and will offer lots of track day support.....Vortech V3 JT Trim, ID1050x Injectors, DW400 drop in Pump and a BAP would be a good budget fuel system unless you want to go all out and run a complete return style fuel system.....ive made a touch under 1000 rwhp on stock 19 motor with the OPG and crank sprocket upgrade and a proper fuel system....most of the centri kits will m ake 10psi out of the box that will be good for around 650-700 wheel on 93....here is a video of my turbo auto 2019 on just 13psi running low 9's at Cayuga a couple months ago....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeHjOZgy0Zo

[Dilbert]

Very cool video and thanks for all the details. Actually, I did do some tracking last summer, but don’t intend to continue. I’m only interested in cruising and also using the car as a daily driver from April until October.

[Slick_89_Hatch]

Just do it! Really it's not that much extra weight and if it's a cruiser I doubt you'll even notice any difference in handling.

[Dilbert]

I like your attitude, Slick! Not that it would really matter to me, but I wonder what it would do to the resale value?

[Slick_89_Hatch]

Resale value....well...don't expect to get your modification money back. But if no shortcuts are taken and the car is built well it will help.

[FABMAN]

Dilbert you already have an amazing performance package right from the factory. The PP2 is the closest you can get to a GT350 without buying one. I have a 17 performance pack GT that I occasionally road course and summer street drive.

I have also driven a supercharged 17 Gt on a road course and I can tell you that I personally prefer driving mine as it is much more balanced. Personally I would just add a tune and a couple of other light mods and call it a day.

Then save your money for other fun things like a nice winter vacation somewhere warm to get away from this damn cold! LOL

[R3troGT]

Another thing to think about is your Insurance. They may have issues with you adding a blower and may cancel your policy.

[Scrape]

Here’s what to expect if you go this route but for me personally a factory built car with a supercharger is the most reliable way to go and you get full factory warranty.
https://youtu.be/iqsVsv6KH9Y

[newbiestangowner]

Here’s what to expect if you go this route but for me personally a factory built car with a supercharger is the most reliable way to go and you get full factory warranty.
https://youtu.be/iqsVsv6KH9Y

But I can’t afford a new GT 500 :)

Buddy Gt 500 hasn’t even taken delivery:) is going to try to make it for June 11 TMP road course


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[ZR]

If max handling is not important, if boost will put a smile on your face............ DO IT!!!

[newbiestangowner]

If max handling is not important, if boost will put a smile on your face............ DO IT!!!

Wait don’t you have boost and max handling? For an old chassis design it cornered pretty darn good. No complaints here
Oh enough to give a s550 with a good driver mod some thoughts too!


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[ZR]

Naw old car with an even older fart behind the wheel is all. Do my best to stay outta everyone's way at track days though.

[pwrab]

If I had some ‘stupid money’ to blow, I’d do it.
Why? Who wouldn’t want to own a 700hp+ beast? If we wanted an A to B commuter car, we wouldn’t have bought Mustangs. To me, if I could (afford to add a blower), I would.
Not being a road course racer, I’m not concerned about weight and cornering limits, etc.
Plus if fuel is an issue, again, you own a Mustang....
And as for ‘you’ll never use all that power’, maybe not, but there’s a lot of 400plus hp cars on the road that are all in the same boat.

Go for it. Enjoy it. Have no regrets and give no thoughts to naysayers, if that’s what you want to do!

[bbriann]

I say go for it to. Some people say its wrong that I drive my 675 rwhp little 2 valve mustang to track towing that tent trailer...just go for it!

[Scrape]

If you had stupid money I know what you would be buying buddy. :D:D:D



If I had some ‘stupid money’ to blow, I’d do it.
Why? Who wouldn’t want to own a 700hp+ beast? If we wanted an A to B commuter car, we wouldn’t have bought Mustangs. To me, if I could (afford to add a blower), I would.
Not being a road course racer, I’m not concerned about weight and cornering limits, etc.
Plus if fuel is an issue, again, you own a Mustang....
And as for ‘you’ll never use all that power’, maybe not, but there’s a lot of 400plus hp cars on the road that are all in the same boat.

Go for it. Enjoy it. Have no regrets and give no thoughts to naysayers, if that’s what you want to do!

[Ghost Rider]

Yes ZR, this is my big worry. Now I’m rid of the club sport S tires, the car has an almost zen-like behaviour on the street.

Thanks everyone for your input so far!

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Doesn't the PP2 come with Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires? You got rid of them for something else?

[Dilbert]

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Doesn't the PP2 come with Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires? You got rid of them for something else?

Yes, they were finished in 4200 km, which did include a few track days. They were fantastic on the track but truly a PITA for street use. New Michelin super sports are way nicer on the road.

[Ghost Rider]

Yes, they were finished in 4200 km, which did include a few track days. They were fantastic on the track but truly a PITA for street use. New Michelin super sports way nicer on the road.

ahh, gotcha

yeah, I have the same tires on mine (Cup 2's), very sticky, not so good in the cold though and they pick up every fucking rock and pebble on the ground LOL, I'm keeping them for track only and will be putting on a set of 4S for the street. Unfortunately they don't make it in a 315 for the rear which is stock size but I'm going just go with the 325, a lot of people doing that with no issues and the tread wear on the 4S is like triple the cup 2 so that will be good at least LOL

[Gr8Stang]

If I had some ‘stupid money’ to blow, I’d do it.
Why? Who wouldn’t want to own a 700hp+ beast? If we wanted an A to B commuter car, we wouldn’t have bought Mustangs. To me, if I could (afford to add a blower), I would.
Not being a road course racer, I’m not concerned about weight and cornering limits, etc.
Plus if fuel is an issue, again, you own a Mustang....
And as for ‘you’ll never use all that power’, maybe not, but there’s a lot of 400plus hp cars on the road that are all in the same boat.

Go for it. Enjoy it. Have no regrets and give no thoughts to naysayers, if that’s what you want to do!

I agree! Two things I've learned driving SC'd rides:

1. Getting that power to the ground can be very challenging. Found myself more often then not doing diggs from 80 or 100 kms/hr. to help reduce tire spin.

2. Danger Will Robinson! Its soooooooo easy to get yourself in trouble aka, loosing control if you're not prepared for all that HP/TQ when you jam the go pedal....especially when cooler temps are around. Thrilling...with the odd brown stain in the underwear if you're not used to it. ;)

[Stallionred5.0]

Here is a youtuber that supercharged his 2019 Mustang GT pp1. He breaks down what other components need a change once you put a supercharger. He also breaks down cost (US Dollar).

https://youtu.be/5QQrZ23ujHk

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[Minaccia]

For your 2019 Mustang GT look at spending a total of $14k-$15k for a Vortech style blower with injectors, bap, spark plugs, custom tune, installation (if needed), dyno time and taxes.

Once the blower is installed and you take your first rip around the block you'll know right away you made the right decision to go boosted, the sound and the thrill of the power there is no other feeling.

[Dilbert]

Thanks everyone for your comments. I’m going hold off for 2020, maybe next year :facepalm:

[Zutz2v]

Don’t be cheap! Cut a cheque let’s GO!


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