Our PM in action..........disgusting

[ZR]

The report is nothing short of scathing against the prime minister.
Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion not only found that Justin Trudeau violated the Conflict of Interest Act, but also blasted the PM’s department for refusing to release key documents needed for his investigation of the SNC-Lavalin affair.
Even without key documents, Dion found that Trudeau violated Section 9 of the act when he pressured then attorney general Jody Wilson-Raybould to give SNC-Lavalin a sweetheart deal to avoid prosecution on bribery and corruption charges.
“The prime minister, directly and through his senior officials, used various means to exert influence over Ms. Wilson‑Raybould,” Dion wrote in his report.
“The authority of the prime minister and his office was used to circumvent, undermine and ultimately attempt to discredit the decision of the Director of Public Prosecutions as well as the authority of Ms. Wilson‑Raybould as the Crown’s chief law officer.”
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In Dion’s view, the actions of the PM and those following his orders were well outside what the Liberals claimed as their defence — the parliamentary principle of the Shawcross doctrine. Under Shawcross, an attorney general can consult cabinet on decisions of prosecuting cases but is not obliged to. The doctrine also says cabinet colleagues cannot pressure the attorney general.
Dion found that after examining the principle of the Shawcross doctrine, reading court decisions on the matter and examining the facts of this case, the defence put forward by Trudeau and his team did not hold.
“These actions were tantamount to political direction,” Dion wrote of Trudeau’s attempt to get Wilson-Raybould to change her mind and drop prosecution.
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</figcaption></figure>With his findings, Dion has said that Trudeau is guilty of improperly furthering “another person’s private interests.” Those private interests are those of SNC-Lavalin itself.
The company had lobbied the government hard over several years to avoid prosecution on bribery and corruption charges dating back to the early 2000s. According to charges laid after an extensive RCMP investigation, the company paid bribes totalling as much as $48 million to the regime of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi.
If found guilty of the charges, the company would face a ban on bidding for federally funded projects for 10 years. The company already faces bans from the World Bank over a different corruption investigation.
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Several former executives of SNC-Lavalin have also pleaded guilty in corruption cases in this country including bribes offered for a hospital contract and illegal donations to political parties — including more than $100,000 donated to various Liberal candidates or associations.
In his own personal attempt to convince Wilson-Raybould to interfere and stop the prosecution, Trudeau raised his own political fortunes, the Quebec election and the potential loss of jobs at SNC-Lavalin. His then top adviser, former Clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick, also called Wilson-Raybould and raised many of these same issues, even asking her to take over the prosecution herself.
“I find all of these tactics troubling,” Dion wrote.
In addition to finding the PM in violation of the Conflict of Interest Act, Dion also blasted the PM and the Privy Council Office for refusing to allow key access to certain documents needed for the investigation and for not allowing witnesses to speak to everything they knew.
“Because of the decision to deny our office further access to cabinet confidences, witnesses were constrained in their ability to provide all evidence. I was, therefore, prevented from looking over the entire body of evidence,” Dion wrote.
The refusal to allow the ethics commissioner full access to details of what happened mirror the actions of Liberal MPs. The Liberals used their majorities on House of Commons committees to block attempts by the opposition to get to the bottom of the SNC-Lavalin affair.
The report takes accusations that Trudeau acted improperly out of the realm of political speculation. An officer of Parliament has found that not only did Trudeau act improperly, he broke the law.
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[Gabe]

Pathetic

[Quicksilver]

The really sad and frightening thing is that he might actually get elected again. I shudder to think of the damage 4 more years of this drama school teacher might do to the country.

[hammerhead]

He should of resigned and when he didn't his party should of asked him to step down. He phucked up with arrogant sunny ways and took his Superman powers too lightly. I believe that he is caught in a catch 22 and could very well end up beside Jimmy Hoffa. The end of the line is near and I hope all the other white envelope phuckers fry with him.

[83 5.0]

To quote our PM" he experienced it differently".

As mentioned in the other thread, good looks, and the PM's attractiveness will send a certain demographic to the polls for him.
Paul Wells has wrote some good takes on the PM(he was once a strong Liberal supporter) https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeau-imposter/ but also cautions in another article he wrote that this type of political stuff only gets the political followers boiling. The rest of the electorate (little old ladies, young millenials, cat ladies, okay I am stretching it) just don't get their knickers in a knot about this type of stuff. It is just to far into the weeds for them, unfortunately.

[hammerhead]

To quote our PM" he experienced it differently".

As mentioned in the other thread, good looks, and the PM's attractiveness will send a certain demographic to the polls for him.
Paul Wells has wrote some good takes on the PM(he was once a strong Liberal supporter) https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeau-imposter/ but also cautions in another article he wrote that this type of political stuff only gets the political followers boiling. The rest of the electorate (little old ladies, young millenials, cat ladies, okay I am stretching it) just don't get their knickers in a knot about this type of stuff. It is just to far into the weeds for them, unfortunately.

That's probably true I was raised in a Liberal house hold and they will definitely defend all of this and start cursing Harper lol (I won't even bring it up at Christmas) - I would really like to see more independents across the country. I believe there are three in Ontario. If enough independents get voted in across the country perhaps they could jointly form a new party. Unfortunately there isn't one in my area....what this could do tho is evoke people who don't vote out to the poles which is about 40 percent of the eligible.

[83 5.0]

Hmm, I think I might have a few the day of voting, totally bummed out at the choices we have. May need to adapt the Israel electoral system. Lots of grid lock, but a lot of voices being heard. Given what government really accomplishes, worth a try LOL.

[Ontariomystic]

He will be back, none of this matters

[RedSN]

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He STILL doesn’t think the did anything wrong. :facepalm:


Where I disagree with the commissioner is where he says that any contact with the attorney general on this issue was improper

That is the core argument. That IS what was improper.

[ZR]

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[stangstevers]

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[Gr8Stang]

Absolutely sickening. Problem is....who's really paying attention/cares. Apathy is what is killing our country...

Here's the voter turn out for the last 3 Federal elections according to Elections Canada. Sorry for the formatting.....

Date of election Population # of Electors on lists Total ballots cast Voter turnout %


14 October 2008 31,612,897 23,677,639 13,929,093 58.8%
2 May 2011 33,476,688 24,257,592 14,823,408 61.1%
19 October 2015 33,476,688 25,939,742 17,711,983 68.3%

[5.4MarkVIII]

Looks like he uses the same excuse for ethic violations as he does for sexual assaults on women.


I uhhhh, remember uhhhh it differently uhhhhhhhh.

[stangstevers]

Watch this... I bet trudeau will pay jihadis jack millions as well... bring him over so he can be free to roam too.

[StAnger]

Trudeau cooked up some debate rules specifically designed to exclude Bernier (is he so dangerous that he shouldn't be allowed to debate?).

since when is the government in charge of debates? Aren't they usually sponsored by a university or the press with debaters invited? How is governmental debate rules not an infringement of freedom of expression?


Elizabeth May was invited previously with less qualification than Bernier, coincidentally her enviro policies agree with the Libs and she spends all her time attacking conservatives but what does that have to do with it. Additionally Bernier actually has more candidates running than the liberals.

So here's one of her candidates that she forced a resignation from. The issue is the candidate thought it was a good idea to speak out against a guy who set his wife on fire trying to kill her (3rd degree burns, near death). Does this mean that Elizabeth May believes this to be an approved way to deal with ex's?

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/08/16/green-candidate-forced-to-resign-after-criticizing-mosque-leader.html


Do you still believe that Canada is a democracy? With the main 3 parties and the fringe Greens trying to show which party is the most progressive, it's clear to see that we're slip sliding our way down the shitter faster than ever.

We're fucked if the CPC win, certainly fucked if the NDP win, and really fucked if the Libs lie, cheat and steal their way to another term.

[baddbullitt]

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[ZR]

The Liberals have a narrow three-and-a-half point lead over the Conservatives nationally but have opened up a sizeable advantage in Ontario, a new poll has found.
Mainstreet Research polled 1,876 Canadians over the weekend and found that Justin Trudeau’s Liberal party has the support of 37.5 per cent of decided and leaning voters compared to 34 per cent for Andrew Scheer’s Conservative party. The Green party were in third with the support of 10.8 per cent of decided or leaning voters while the NDP were in fourth (8.4 per cent) and the People’s Party were in fifth (4.6 per cent). The Bloc Quebecois, meanwhile, had the support of 15.5 per cent of voters in Quebec.
In Ontario, the Liberals had the support of 45.3 per cent of decided or leaning voters compared to 30.4 per cent for the Conservatives, 10.1 per cent for the Greens and 7.5 per cent for the NDP.

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The Liberals also performed well in Atlantic Canada (49.1 per cent) and Quebec (40.3 per cent). The Conservatives, meanwhile, were the top choice in Alberta (63 per cent) and the Prairies (50.8 per cent).
“This is bad news for Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives as the Liberals have crossed the 40 per cent mark in Atlantic Canada, Quebec, and Ontario,” Mainstreet Research President and CEO Quito Maggi said in a press release. “If the election were held today, the Liberals would comfortably win a majority. The solace for the other parties is that the election is not going to be held today and that they will have the entire writ period to chip into the Liberal lead.”
While the Liberals appear to be off to an early lead ahead of the official start of the federal campaign, the Mainstreet Research poll found that there was some room for improvement for Andrew Scheer’s Conservative party.
A total of 11.1 per cent of all respondents said that they remain undecided.
The poll is considered accurate to within 2.26 percentage times, 19 times out of 20.

[ZR]

Is everyone in Ontario out of their minds????

[stangstevers]

I follow a lot of left leaning social media sites and I don't think the trend is to vote for that idiot again. The millennials who got us into this mess are more likely to not vote, vote for green or NDP before the liberals. He doesn't seem very popular. He has effectively let a lot of people down and hoping that the "anti harper" BS will still work.

[5.4MarkVIII]

yes. the biggest complaint I'm hearing about Trudeau in certain circles is he is not far enough left.

this may prove to an advantage as Ive heard some unions at putting their support behind the NDP.

its possible we may actually be moving away from the two party race

[stangstevers]

yes. the biggest complaint I'm hearing about Trudeau in certain circles is he is not far enough left.

this may prove to an advantage as Ive heard some unions at putting their support behind the NDP.

its possible we may actually be moving away from the two party race

well...

3 parties, and 2 are completely retarded.

[True Blue]

Now that teachers and support staff contracts has expired. Ford better watch how he plays ball with them, this will surely affect the decision of many for the upcoming election.

[RedSN]

Is everyone in Ontario out of their minds????

... hoping that the "anti harper" BS will still work.

Yes they are. And yes, I think the "anti Harper" BS campaigning has bee very effective in Ontario. It did a very good job of getting the focus off corrupt and unethical governments, and onto marriage and abortion. Brilliant if you ask me. Two things that weren't even on the radar. You dig up one sound-bite of a 5-legged dog and *bam* we're back to sunny-ways!

[5.4MarkVIII]

Conservatives are little different than the Liberals.

Scheer has little change to immigration policy, is pro Paris accord, pro UN security counsel seat etc etc.

iPolitics is a left leaning pollster.

People need to realize that the traditional conservative stand points are no longer going to win elections.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Now that teachers and support staff contracts has expired. Ford better watch how he plays ball with them, this will surely affect the decision of many for the upcoming election.

It dosnt matter what he does. The unions were talking strike the day after he was elected.
People buy into the social media and msm fear mongering without bothering to educate themselves on the issues and decisions.

[stangstevers]

People need to realize that the traditional conservative stand points are no longer going to win elections.

Because they are outdated, idiotic, church-bounded, one-sided and leaves us with no value or progression into a more of a "lets work together" world.

I find hard-core conservatives have a LOT in common with hard-core islamists... they share similar values.

[5.4MarkVIII]

disagree on the church bound part.

not religious but I know a lot of religious people and in my experience they are more accepting and socially progressive them most on the left and the so called atheists that I have known.


people hate on the religious people because they are conservatives and they automatically paint them with the hate, others only care about themselves brush when in truth long before government forced and funded social programs for the poor and people in need it was community and church groups that funded these people threw charities

in my area it was the church groups that funded and supported actual refugees before the liberals started throwing money around

if lost in a snow storm id put my bet on a warm meal and place to stay with open arms on the conservative Cristian before putting it on the socialist liberal/ athiest

[92redragtop]

Because they are outdated, idiotic, church-bounded, one-sided and leaves us with no value or progression into a more of a "lets work together" world.

I find hard-core conservatives have a LOT in common with hard-core islamists... they share similar values.

You don't like virtue signalling?

[Harbinger]

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[92redragtop]

Meme of the year ! Well said.

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Not really - corporations are Canadian too.

[Harbinger]

Im still laughing

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[92redragtop]

Im still laughing

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That whomever created it didn't understand what they were writing?

[Hutch]

Today would be a good day to elaborate on similarities
I am curious as well. I have many religious family members and friends. More are liberal than conservatives. The liberal party has grossly changed from what it was 20 years ago but many still hang onto what it use to be. Since your making vast generalizations(Stangstevers), I would say that most liberal voters aren’t actually liberal, they are socialists going under the liberal name.

[Hutch]

And have you read this about the assclown wanting to put a capital gains tax on primary residence sales?
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[StAnger]

The Liberals have a narrow three-and-a-half point lead over the Conservatives nationally but have opened up a sizeable advantage in Ontario, a new poll has found.
Mainstreet Research polled 1,876 Canadians over the weekend and found that Justin Trudeau’s Liberal party has the support of 37.5 per cent of decided and leaning voters compared to 34 per cent for Andrew Scheer’s Conservative party. The Green party were in third with the support of 10.8 per cent of decided or leaning voters while the NDP were in fourth (8.4 per cent) and the People’s Party were in fifth (4.6 per cent). The Bloc Quebecois, meanwhile, had the support of 15.5 per cent of voters in Quebec.
In Ontario, the Liberals had the support of 45.3 per cent of decided or leaning voters compared to 30.4 per cent for the Conservatives, 10.1 per cent for the Greens and 7.5 per cent for the NDP.

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The Liberals also performed well in Atlantic Canada (49.1 per cent) and Quebec (40.3 per cent). The Conservatives, meanwhile, were the top choice in Alberta (63 per cent) and the Prairies (50.8 per cent).
“This is bad news for Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives as the Liberals have crossed the 40 per cent mark in Atlantic Canada, Quebec, and Ontario,” Mainstreet Research President and CEO Quito Maggi said in a press release. “If the election were held today, the Liberals would comfortably win a majority. The solace for the other parties is that the election is not going to be held today and that they will have the entire writ period to chip into the Liberal lead.”
While the Liberals appear to be off to an early lead ahead of the official start of the federal campaign, the Mainstreet Research poll found that there was some room for improvement for Andrew Scheer’s Conservative party.
A total of 11.1 per cent of all respondents said that they remain undecided.
The poll is considered accurate to within 2.26 percentage times, 19 times out of 20.

This is why I wonder if Ford is really just a plant... Or just a drunken moron.

[RedSN]

And have you read this about the assclown wanting to put a capital gains tax on primary residence sales?
Maybe I didn’t search the right key words, but can’t find anything about this. Any news links to this? This for real? Who is the letter addressed to? Who is the “dear friend”?

Don’t get me started on Adam Vaughan. :slap:


Edit: did not know (since I sold my house in 2012), but since 2016 you have to report the sale of your house to the CRA, even if it was your primary residence and is exempt from capital gains.

[92redragtop]

Yes, framed as closing the loophole for flippers doing it as a business under the primary residence exemption. Could be a stepping stone to expansion though although would likely be political suicide (same reason the original "temporary" mortgage interest deduction in the US never got reversed (until Trump reduced it).