Looking for immigrants? Why yes, yes we are.

[Ponyryd]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/canada-wants-1m-more-immigrants-by-2022

1 million more over the next 3 years seems excessive to me.

[Ponyryd]

For the first time I’m my life I think I prefer a spitter.

[Zexhuffer]

How is this any surprise to anyone??

Just keep paying your taxes and shut up.

[Mellow Yellow]

The issue I have with this is that the economy may not handle it. The current governments are content to let GM close up and move out. There doesn't seem to be any will to get projects done for the good of the country when faced with minor opposition - pipelines.

We can handle it as long as there are jobs for these people AND they have the required skills to hold these positions.

[Mellow Yellow]

why should we be in a position for "we can handle it"

if you're feeling charitable go ahead and donate or volunteer. Forced charity is robbery.

Although I do not disagree with you, I am an immigrant.

I was born in Liverpool England and came here with my family many many moons ago....legally. My father came here six months prior to the rest of the family. This was a requirement so he could establish himself enough to support the family........definately NO HANDOUTS.


To further your comment, regarding the US southern border, if all these people are fleeing the corrupt and violent governments of central America, then I feel the best solution, and likely cheapest, is for the US to remove those government and set up an environment where these people can stay in their homes . I'm sure they would prefer that to the uncertainties in the US as an illegal immigrant.

[trickflow-jay]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/canada-wants-1m-more-immigrants-by-2022

1 million more over the next 3 years seems excessive to me.

thats nothing how about these proposals:

http://www.centuryinitiative.ca/3scenarios/

[Gr8Stang]

Check out the Immigration details in the thread I posted here: http://www.torontomustangclub.ca/forums/showthread.php?14410-Canada-Immigration-Report-2018

For a long time now, Canada has had to resort to bringing in people from outside our country to sustain the population growth, economic (workforce) needs, etc.

Check out the stats and the breakdown of people coming in. Appears most are going to meaningfully contribute, based on entrance criteria.

One thing I'd like to see is the government sharing the costs related to immigration vs. benefits.


I also wonder how we compare to the U.S. in immigration.....

[Darkhorse]

I'm not an immigration expert, but I always understood there is really only 3 ways into Canada:

1. Buy your way in (not cheap) have to invest or open a business.
2. Get sponsored in by marriage or a relative
3. Refugee

Everyone seems to focus on the negativity of the third. If your home country is war torn or you are not safe, or even if you did everything right and earned a good living over there, but could lose it all over corruption or war, you'd be moving too. Just imagine going to China at age 35 and having to learn the language at that stage.....not easy.

If we had to buy our way into another country to have a better life, I'm curious how many of us could even afford it.

I'm too busy making my own living to worry about others.

I guess it's an easy target as to why some people don't do better.....blame the immigrants.

Yes, both my parents were immigrants from other countries.

[Mellow Yellow]

as stated in my previous post, legal immigrants like yourself should be welcomed. I suspect you would not have qualified for legal entry had you not had skills/education that make you a good bet as a net contributor to Canada. Welcome to Canada.

Meddling in foreign elections, propping up puppet friendly governments are what yielded the Shah of Iran, Sadam Hussein etc. Similar claims of Russian meddling are exactly what you're suggesting, but the opposite side of the coin.

The people fleeing should contribute to reforming their own countries. People who build and maintain a prosperous society have the right to benefit from it. There is no obligation to raise the worlds, poor, destitute, and lazy to western societies standard of living. If you, as an individual choose to help in some manner, good for you. Forcing me to pay for deadbeats is theft. I choose my charities.


Unfortunately the United Nations disagree with your statement regarding the west having an obligation to raise the worlds poor. The United Nations appears to be 100% focused on this.

[Mellow Yellow]

Here is something to ponder.....

That young girl from the Middle East was just granted asylum by Canada and she has been denouncing Islam and, apparently, has converted (not sure on this);

But if anyone on this forum says ANYTHING against Islam we would be subject to criminal proceedings and possible jail.

[92redragtop]

I'm not an immigration expert, but I always understood there is really only 3 ways into Canada:

1. Buy your way in (not cheap) have to invest or open a business.
2. Get sponsored in by marriage or a relative
3. Refugee

Everyone seems to focus on the negativity of the third. If your home country is war torn or you are not safe, or even if you did everything right and earned a good living over there, but could lose it all over corruption or war, you'd be moving too. Just imagine going to China at age 35 and having to learn the language at that stage.....not easy.

If we had to buy our way into another country to have a better life, I'm curious how many of us could even afford it.

I'm too busy making my own living to worry about others.

I guess it's an easy target as to why some people don't do better.....blame the immigrants.

Yes, both my parents were immigrants from other countries.

The majority of immigrants to my knowledge go through the 4th option which would actually be #1 on your list by the number of people annualy: a points based system at which "Express Entry" is at the top of that grouping (below that the points system still applies but you're not put to the front of the line). This is likely how many of the members on here with immigrant parents likely ended up in Canada because it is probably close to a generation old in some format or another. I believe the refugee category is at the low end of the pool in terms of the numbers included in the 333K per year that is being referenced.

Some people misconstrue the programs and the data (ie. promote an idea that the majority of the people coming in/brought in are in #3 on your list) either through xenophobia or lack of knowledge but they also complain about high taxes and lament the possible absence of programs for when they become seniors, or their kids become seniors (ie. CPP, OAS, etc) - under either Conservative or Liberal philosophies - but I assume they don't understand macroeconomics of these programs (333K per year may not even be sufficient to sustain an adequate tax base with the % of population above 55 years of age today and current death rates). Refugee numbers do need to be managed but another aspect of this (I am making an educated guess) is that a sub-factor in the equation is they are "acquiring" children in the refugee numbers (my understanding is that families are the largest component) since children/second generations typically do better than their parent immigrants who have to start over but their kids go to school here and are better prepared for our economic structure.

[92redragtop]

But if anyone on this forum says ANYTHING against Islam we would be subject to criminal proceedings and possible jail.

While I don't think we need a Bill M103, can you clarify your point as it pertains to what would happen under the laws of Canada if we on the forum do this?

[5.4MarkVIII]

While I don't think we need a Bill M103, can you clarify your point as it pertains to what would happen under the laws of Canada if we on the forum do this?

fines and potential jail time. its happened nit sure about on forums specifically but there was a comedian who was charged after telling a joke in a set.

[92redragtop]

fines and potential jail time. its happened nit sure about on forums specifically but there was a comedian who was charged after telling a joke in a set.

Are you re-posting a fake news story from a right wing site or something? How would a comedian get charged under M103? Do you know the details of that M103 offence/charge? So if you get charged under M103 you can be levied a fine and or jail time? Is this what the previous poster also meant with regard to forum posting?

I know people like Gavin and Goldy push this rhetoric but is that what would happen?

[92redragtop]

that's an interesting question. I did 5 minutes of digging on consequences of violating M103 and couldn't find anything specific. I don't imagine it'll be a stern talking to.

We're being told we'll be charged, fined, locked up, and flogged as a result - just trying to understand what that means based on the claims under this law posted about above.

[92redragtop]

How do the authorities typically react when you violate the rules?

What are the "rules" under the law?

[Mellow Yellow]

While I don't think we need a Bill M103, can you clarify your point as it pertains to what would happen under the laws of Canada if we on the forum do this?

I wasn't specifically speaking about comments made on the forum; just generally that individually anyone on this forum could run afoul under M103 if we stated anti Islam comments in public.

[92redragtop]

I wasn't specifically speaking about comments made on the forum; just generally that individually anyone on this forum could be charged under M103 if we stated anti Islam comments in public.

Understood - I was curious about how that would occur - for someone to be in violation, get charged, fined, and/or arrested (and not from the perspective of Goldy or Gavin - from an actual legal mechanism perspective).

[92redragtop]

I'd imagine it'd be case specific with varying enforcement and penalties depending on what victim group you can identify with.

Different statute, but take the example of the man who raped a male child in a swimming pool change room in Windsor area. He wasn't penalized as he was from a different culture where this was acceptable. If the perp would have been a white male he'd be someone's boyfriend behind bars for a long time.

Mixing up unrelated laws doesn't address the question though - how would one get charged and punished under the M103 law? I'm not getting how the legal mechanism works.

[92redragtop]

So it's not a law then? Can one still get charged, fined, and incarcerated?