NDP ahead of PC's in Poll this morning!?

[Gr8Stang]

Oh man, guess we need to be even more worried than ever! Can't imagine what will happen with the debt of this province if the NDP get in. I remember the Bob Rae days.....yikes!

Even more sad....Liberals and PC's having to co-operate in voting if NDP get a minority gov't.

Hope the polls are wrong.

[92redragtop]

I think people are forgetting that it was Andrea who kept Wynne in government a few years back and allowed the deep hole to get even deeper.

[WTF]

not even sure if there's an NDP candidate in my riding of Willowdale

Lib is the incumbent and a waste of space

the PC dude has been canvassing for months and seems to be way more active and in touch than the Lib, and with way more signs and supporters

have not had even a mailer from the NDP candidate..nothing

last election the NDP let some guy run who couldn't even look you in the eye....musta been in his early 20s and did it on a bet or something...he knocked on my door and I thought he was a high-schooler looking for donations for some charity

Horwath seems like a likeable lady and could claim that's she's got some cred.....but think about the quality of people who run as candidates in elections for the NDP

if you wanted to win...which flag would you fly?

sure as hell isn't the NDP

in most wards...they went into this election to lose...and they have candidates that are as useless as tits on a bull

aside from the odd ward and Horwath herself....they're all a bunch of fucking nutters

and they're non-existent in my neighbourhood.....so I would argue that these polls are worth squat

[cudaboy]

Lets hope the polls are wrong. We dont need another big spender who promises the world.
The PC`s chose the wrong leader.

[55 HD]

Doug has a lot to learn, but so does anyone who votes Lib. NDP is just sporting a better look and sound, they will fail too.

[83 5.0]

Had to laugh at a comment I read, that the pollsters got through to the few people left with land lines, no call display, and still answer their phones.
The Conservatives could have locked this up with Christine Elliot, but true to their past they just couldn't do it the easy way.

[StAnger]

I'm already looking for jobs in Sask. If I could get a visa, I'd be looking at Kansas, Missouri, or Oklahoma.

No fucking way I'm living in a Sanctuary Province. At least not without a shit ton of heavy artillery.

[stangstevers]

Leave it up to ontario to vote for something even worse than wynne. lol But the polls I see (not ran by the neo-liberals) state the PC's are ahead...

BUT WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND VOTE IN DROVES FOR THE PC... THERE'S NO EXCUSE TO STAY HOME.

[ZR]

My moneys on fake news.
Get out there and vote vote vote, we need to rid ourselves of the trough feeding liberals...........NOW!!!

[ZR]

Let's move "THE LIBERALS" out of Ontario.

[ZR]

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/therebel/pages/1105/attachments/original/1431115090/Anna_Scetinina.jpg?1431115090

[ZR]

http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/kathleen-wynne-corrupt-620x344-620x344.jpg

[ZR]

http://fuwynne.ca/fuwynne.ca-01.jpg

[ZR]

http://mytowncrier.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/WebWynne.jpg

[stangstevers]

It's funny the sex ed change (in theory) is ok in my books. I just think the way they went about it was wrong and the resulting outcome could have been better. I'm sorry but when religious nuts are protesting, to me, it's a sign that the change is not all bad.

[83 5.0]

I' m still waiting for my parents to have the talk with me...

[stangstevers]

you see... it all starts with alcohol.... and so forth... boom baby pops out. DONE!

[stangstevers]

Well... looks like dippers will be in power. They want us to be like a communist 3rd world country... here we go. Say by to your pay and bank account.

[StAnger]

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

[ZR]

It's not the start of anything unless we allow it.

[Quicksilver]

Never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

That's exactly what got us Wynne and Trudeau in the first place.

[Quicksilver]

IF the NDP get in, say goodbye to industrial jobs, and say hello to never ending union strikes, free health and dental to anyone from outside our borders, ever higher gas prices, a stark choice for many between eating and staying warm and of course higher and higher taxes.

[StAnger]

It's not the start of anything unless we allow it.


You put too much faith in the average voter in this province.

They either only get "news" from the MSM, or their union has told them about the evils of Doug Ford. I have personally seen one of those letters from UNIFOR cautioning members about Doug Ford, and imploring them to vote either NDP or Liberal to keep their gravy train moving on down the tracks.

[stangstevers]

We may consider moving out of province... maybe even back to stupid quebec tabarnak... at least beer is cheap and poutine is fresh. Wish we could move to the USA though, at least the average American isn't as stupid as the average Canadian - this country is packed with snowflake communist wannabes. I'm looking at out of province jobs right now to see what's out there.

[ZR]

If the polls are indeed correct (or just as possible fake news) we all need to dig in and make what needs to happen, happen. Again, party A, B or C winning is 110% up to you and me.

[StAnger]

If the polls are indeed correct (or just as possible fake news) we all need to dig in and make what needs to happen, happen. Again, party A, B or C winning is 110% up to you and me.

I know. Things looked bleak in the US election, but Trump thankfully won.

[RedSN]

... at least the average American isn't as stupid as the average Canadian
They are actually about the same.
https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

[stangstevers]

Well, the Asians are winning in that respect...

[Rino]

If your paying someone to do a poll for you,then the poll will be in your favor. All political parties have so called non bias groups,that pay polling companies to do a poll. Then the political party floods the area with their supporter,just to make it look all legit. 90% of polls are bias. If someone is asking for a poll they have an agenda, which is aligned with someone else's. All news and TV stations are aligned with one party or other.People watch the news and believe everything that is put in front of them. The funny thing is, they don't realize it. Just my opinion.

[RedSN]

90% of polls are bias. .....Just my opinion.
was wondering if "90%" was an actual statistic? Or just an opinion? :stickpoke:

I know what you are saying, I just found it comical that you would make your point by making up numbers. :D

[5.4MarkVIII]

unfortunately its a solid tactic. the sad reality is the general populous, particularly the younger generations, are indoctrined to rely on someone else, mostly the government. this means we no longer have people striving to achieve greater things, but also we no longer have a society of leaders, we have a society of followers, they must do what the masses tell them so they don't stand out. hilarious when you consider how they attempt to self individualize meanwhile conforming to what the government, media, or Hollywood tell them is best.

I call it the bandwagon problem. if people think that the majority of people are voting a certain way, they will be more inclined to follow suit.

[Gr8Stang]

^^^^ sad, but true.

[01CobraVert]

check out Polly at Advanced Symbolics
check out Erin Kelly on TVO the agenda on May 24
regarding using ai to predict the ont election results

[5.4MarkVIII]

saw this today thought it was funny

Liberals = pre teen gets moms credit card, buys stuff to make other people like him, buys him self cool things. no regard to cost.

NDP = 5 year old gets credit card, all out spending spree for tons of shit no one really needs but sounds awesome

PC = mom and dad come home and find out what happened, now they have to make sacrifices on stuff that matters to pay for the useless crap the kids bought when they were away

[redo75]

Didn"t Clinton win all the polls over Trump.
Those polls didn"t play out too well.

What happened to Brown??
Did those girls who said bad things happened to them did they ever go to the police or just to a CTV station and get paid for their story?
I wonder whose idea or party it was that started that "joke".
Just saying....

[83 5.0]

Didn"t Clinton win all the polls over Trump.
Those polls didn"t play out too well.

What happened to Brown??
Did those girls who said bad things happened to them did they ever go to the police or just to a CTV station and get paid for their story?
I wonder whose idea or party it was that started that "joke".
Just saying....

Suspect Brown was torpedoed more from the PC's themselves.(full disclosure, I am a PC member/voter) but the current status of the PC party I am not very happy with. Not a Ford fan but supporting the PC's, just hope the people with power in the PC's can keep Doug on a short leash, and concentrate on the financials, and not the port land ferris wheel side shows.
After this election I may be old enough (and close enough to retirement) to not give a sh** anymore.

[5.4MarkVIII]

My god so many people willing to jump on the internet and show how ill informed they are on politics.

It would be funny if it wasn’t so damn scary, the prospect of a possible NDP party leading.

Let’s denounce the liberals and support the NDP but ignore that fact that they helped pass a lot of the crap they are now condemning the liberals for.

[stangstevers]

The dippers have policies that could potentially put me out of work too. They will certainly cause a slow-down and reduction in profit for the company I work for.

Honestly, there should be tougher regulations on WHO gets to vote. They should:

1) check credit score, people with bad credit should not be allowed to vote
2) have a simple skill testing question, wrong answer and vote is not counted
3) should be living and paying taxes in the country for at least 10 years

This alone would most likely eliminate the majority of ontario voters lol...

Sigh... I'm working on a backup plan to GTFO out of this retarded province. Which will also suck since the housing market isn't super hot, I'd only make about 100k on the current house after closing costs - if I'm lucky. But where the F can you go? Saskatoon? Face it, this country is pretty bad.

[StAnger]

Sigh... I'm working on a backup plan to GTFO out of this retarded province. Which will also suck since the housing market isn't super hot, I'd only make about 100k on the current house after closing costs - if I'm lucky. But where the F can you go? Saskatoon? Face it, this country is pretty bad.


I'm looking at Southern Saskatchewan/Regina.

[RedSN]

But where the F can you go? Saskatoon? Face it, this country is pretty bad.
You are free to move anywhere you want. Nunavut? They pretty much leave you alone up there.
But to call this country “pretty bad”? I’m going to assume you haven’t travelled much.

[5.4MarkVIII]

I’m coming to the realization that we are fucked.
Was hoping Trump would be a sign of a conservative movement to retake what once used to be great and make it great again but the msn and shear lack of self thinking brain power of scociety means that calling anyone Trump regardless of truth will rally the morons to your cause and end the evil, (well what ever the msn. Claims is evil at that given time.)

Truth no longer matters too many people wil flawed ideology’s and shit for brains willing to spew it out at the shortest notice.
Prove them wrong and they do one of two things. Claim your evil too, denounce and insult, or
Deny your info and disregard any facts regardless on how many ways you prove your side. Then denounce, and insult.

[5.4MarkVIII]

You are free to move anywhere you want. Nunavut? They pretty much leave you alone up there.
But to call this country “pretty bad”? I’m going to assume you haven’t travelled much.

Worse off than we were and worse off than we could be. I’d call that pretty bad.. I hold Canada and our society to higher standards the most of the rest of the world. Call me crazy.

[92redragtop]

BTW, if this is anyone's riding (Barrie-Springwater-Oro-Medonte), my BIL's BIL is the PC candidate for the area - he's a smart, good guy.

https://bsompc.nationbuilder.com/

[paradigm]

Sigh... I'm working on a backup plan to GTFO out of this retarded province. Which will also suck since the housing market isn't super hot, I'd only make about 100k on the current house after closing costs - if I'm lucky. But where the F can you go? Saskatoon? Face it, this country is pretty bad.
I have been disgusted with this Ontario for a very long time, and ended up moving to New York City. It is a stepping stone for me, as I ultimately want to live in either Long Island, Florida (Orlando or Fort Lauderdale) or Houston TX.

[ZR]

Debate came off as a joke because of it.

[5.4MarkVIII]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LerC609ml3A

watching the latest debate. Ford is remarkably patient and tolerant with Horwath interruptions that amount to heckling. I'm disappointed with the moderators for allowing constant interruption, not just of Ford but Wynne also.

I would like to see costing for the PC platform. This whole hydro one salaries fiasco is troubling also, especially when it's revealed the golden parachute must be deployed with no option

id be willing to take the hit on the golden parachute if it means re maping the board so that the members are making the same wage as other similar utilitys, isnt the quebec hydro ceo only making like 400k per year? eliminate the millions in wages and hold the utility responcible for cost savings and you will save that 10 million parachute ten fold, then audit the shit out of the entire place and if you find any colusion or wrong doing between the ceo and the government in terms of price fixing or anything like that, throw them in jail and seize all their assets as aquired in crime, then let them rot. need to put an end to this government assisted crony shit

[Stephen06GT]

What's that old saying " those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it". That's how I feel about the NDP. Like Bob Rae, Andrea Horwath may be a competent leader, but just like Bob Rae her supporting cast are a bunch of flakes. What's that other old saying "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me".

[ZR]

^ Well said.

[WTF]

you gotta love Horwath's star Brampton candidate and little brother of the NDP Federal Leader

rule #1 for becoming a politician - don't go to a protest carrying a "Fuck the Police" sign

the NDP are a bunch of fucking nutters

[stangstevers]

Rant Warning!

Democracy DOES in fact need an upgrade. I know millennials are leaning towards socialism and communism because they believe democracy and capitalism is setup to make the rich richer (and they're not totally wrong). Problem is they are migrating towards things like the NDP, even the liberals have turned into a dangerous neo-liberal field ("progressive liberals" - look it up). For example we have over 30 "suggested" pronouns and some powerful people trying to limit our speech because "he or she" hurts the feelings of .01% of the population - so we need to be really fucking careful with the path we're heading with the popularity of socialist neo-liberal groups like the NDP and OLP.

So things like UBI (universal basic income) are popular with the youth and conservatives are a huge turn-off because they represent "the rich, racist Christian white folk" in the eyes of the new voters. It's a generation of snowflake-hurt-feelings, false sense of enlightenment, entitlement and jealously. I'm also turned off by the conservative party but I vote PC because despite the fact that my values don't align, I don't want to go down in history as part of a population that did things like vote for the fall of the western civilization (yes I believe liberals and NDP represent that extreme view).

As far as big-government (probably the only conservative value I have): We have more than enough technology to cut the government workforce probably in half (talking out of my ass here) and increase services to the population. We don't need a top heavy government anymore. We need more front-line workers like nurses and teachers, not executives and sr management. For example, even in municipal politics, does Toronto REALLY need all those councilors stealing over 100k a year from tax payers, working maybe 2 months of the year and $1000 a night in hotel expenses??? Fuck no! Someone could write software using AI tech to replace their jobs 100%.

For example: I'm sorry but Service Ontario does NOT need to exist, nor do stupid stickers for plates. A simple fucking website that I could write myself in a few months can eliminate all Service Ontario locations while decreasing costs, increasing service levels and overall 1000% increase in customer experience.. That's just a quick example. There are probably thousands of such opportunities. Me, a stupid french guy can build all new processes and technology to support the closure of all service ontario locations. Imagine what a team of dedicated and brilliant process engineers can do!

Back to democracy and governments. All parties need to be dissolved and even the concept of left and right needs to fade. You can't have ALL left or ALL right, everything should be balanced. It's not healthy, it's divisive and leads to extremes every other term. We should value humanity's progress, environment, science and questioning the status-quo. Not religions and the "left and right" think. We are STUCK in this fucking spiral with no end in sight unless some HUGE calamity arises that forces a total reset on how humanity currently works.

[92redragtop]

Dang, the timing on this dirty laundry isn't good.



Rob Ford’s widow sues Doug Ford over family business days before Ontario election

Former Toronto mayor Rob Ford’s widow and children are suing his brother, Ontario Progressive Conservative Leader Doug Ford, alleging that he was a negligent business manager who cost the late mayor’s family millions and deprived them of the money left behind to support them.

The lawsuit seeking $16.25-million in damages was filed in Superior Court on Friday and came to light on Monday, only three days before Ontarians vote in an election where most polls show Mr. Ford is expected to become the province’s next premier. The lawsuit from Renata Ford accuses her brother-in-law of financial impropriety, extravagant compensation and bad management at family-owned company Deco Labels & Tags Ltd. The statement of claim was posted online by the Toronto Star.

Ms. Ford, whose husband died of cancer in 2016, and her children are launching the action against Doug Ford and his brother Randy, both of whom have held executive roles at Deco. These allegations, which have not been tested in court, allege both brothers “lack the education and business ability to justify their employment as senior officers of Deco.”

Doug Ford, who has based much of his campaign for premier on his credentials as a successful businessman, denied the claims made by Ms. Ford.

“These claims relating to Deco are completely false and we will strongly refute them in court. I have also stood by my brother and his family through so many of their challenging times,” he wrote in a statement released by his campaign. “Renata’s lawyers have been clear to us throughout this campaign that either we hand over money, or they would go public with these false claims.”

The lawsuit claims Deco was worth $10-million when founder Douglas Ford Sr. died in 2006 and that the family patriarch amassed personal investments worth between $15-million and $20-million. The company is alleged to have lost more than $5-million over the past six years and Randy and Doug Ford are accused of an “ongoing liquidation of investments” to fund the company and their own interests, shrinking the family fortune to less than $6-million.

As a result, the lawsuit says that in recent years the brothers have sought to “maintain the untrue public appearance of a successful business enterprise.”

The lawsuit says Rob Ford’s widow and two children expected to be supported by their inheritance, one-third of the company’s shares and the late mayor’s life insurance, which had been left in the trusteeship of Doug Ford.

However, the lawsuit claims those shares were recently deemed worthless by a third-party valuation. Under Mr. Ford, and his brother Randy’s tenure, the company has been “so negligently and improperly mismanaged” as to destroy its value, the lawsuit says. Ms. Ford has said she has been unable to get a full accounting of her late husband’s estate.

Ms. Ford and her lawyers could not be reached on Monday for further comment. The Globe could not reach Randy Ford for comment.

The Tory campaign also released a statement from Mr. Ford’s mother, Diane Ford, who drew attention to Renata Ford’s history of substance abuse. Rob Ford’s substance abuse garnered international attention during his time as Toronto’s mayor and his wife has sought help for drug addiction in the past.

“It is heartbreaking that Renata has chosen to bring forward these false and baseless allegations against our family, right in the middle of the provincial election campaign,” wrote Diane Ford. “Renata has serious struggles with addiction, and our hope is that she will accept help for the sake of herself and my grandchildren.”

The label-making business, founded by Doug Ford Sr. in 1962, was no longer a profitable enterprise and has lost millions since Mr. Ford took over after the death of the family’s patriarch, the lawsuit claims.

Ms. Ford’s lawsuit alleges Deco lost more than $5.5-million over the past six years in Toronto and Chicago. It also alleges Doug Ford “committed the Deco companies to a series of ill-advised acquisitions” in New Jersey, Chicago and Ohio, “all of which ended in financial losses.”

The lawsuit also states: “After deciding to devote himself primarily to politics and other interests, Doug Ford nevertheless maintained his position as an officer and director of the Deco companies and arranged to continue to receive very extravagant compensation.”

Mr. Ford received his salary, bonus, travel and automobile allowance, regardless of the financial performance of the company, the suit alleges.

The lawsuit describes a company without a coherent business plan, where Mr. Ford and his brother have resisted hiring professional managers and have provided friends and family members with jobs they aren’t qualified to hold.

Mr. Ford put Rob Ford’s widow and his two children, who are preteens, “in a highly stressful and unfair financial position during their period of grief after Rob Ford’s death” and continued to do so for two years, the lawsuit said.

[stangstevers]

She's an addict and this whole thing looks super fishy, just the right timing I'd say. "The lawsuit describes a company without a coherent business plan" - this is all about tarnishing Ford for the election. I wonder how much the c*nt got paid to do this...

But hey we have NDP candidates that quote hitler, that are practically holocaust deniers and spit on vets (the whole poppy thing), suggesting communism, etc... that doesn't make the alt-left news does it? lol Packed with anarchists and communists... people who vote for NDP should feel a lot of shame.

[5.4MarkVIII]

I honestly think that 90% of people supporting the NDP really have no clue, the amount of knowledge they have pretty much equals, "wow liberals, bad, Facebook says Ford is Trump and the media says Trump is racist. I guess I'm voting NDP" and they have ZERO knowledge of the platform or what NDP want to do or stand for. in my drives around the county for work I've seen business owners with ndp signs on their lawns. the ndp that say they are raising taxes on business. who knowingly votes themselves more taxes? I just cant wrap my head around it


the worst part I think is in my town and the towns surrounding it have not seen a single candidate, I realize we are small town, and don't expect the leaders to show up at my door, but I have not even seen a single one of out local incumbents

[ZR]

Complete and utter bullshit her lawsuit surfaced at such a convenient time, wonder who pulled those strings??? Politics n news media sicken me.

[WTF]

seems one of the lawyers at the firm representing Renata Ford just made partner earlier this year

her name is - Fiona Brown

ahem...sister of former PC Ont Leader Patrick Brown

politics is really fucking dirty folks

Rob's widow is getting played here.....and she's apparently a real trainwreck (worse since Rob died)...booze, drugs, meds etc....and sounds like there's been some sort of official supervision of the kids......probably ever since she got the DUI last year

gonna be entertaining watching the holier-than-thou media defend the same woman they raked over the coals for years when her husband was alive

oh well....there's still a few days to go until the election....maybe Horwath's 26 year old trainwreck of a man-child can get arrested again...while we're watching this time

[RedSN]

seems one of the lawyers at the firm representing Renata Ford just made partner earlier this year

her name is - Fiona Brown

ahem...sister of former PC Ont Leader Patrick Brown
WWHHHHHAAAATTTT!!!????
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LiquidMadHammerheadbird-max-1mb.gif

https://postmediatorontosun.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/qmi_ts20150508vh0827_51857096-e1516981031983.jpg
https://www.airdberlis.com/people/bio/fiona-brown


The law firm handling the suit, Aird & Berlis, also employs former Tory leader Patrick Brown’s sister. Asked if she is connected to the lawsuit, Fiona Brown said “no, I don’t have any comment.”
https://ipolitics.ca/2018/06/04/doug-ford-acford-accuses-sister-in-law-of-taking-advantage-of-election-timing-with-16m-lawsuit/

[ZR]

Fucking dirty SOBs the whole lot of em.

[92redragtop]

Was in the paper a few days ago

14182

[stangstevers]

Lol a house down the street replaced their NDP sign with PC... I live in a very conservative area...

Also the NDP social media is not very active, some of their guys have little to no followers.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Lol a house down the street replaced their NDP sign with PC... I live in a very conservative area...

Also the NDP social media is not very active, some of their guys have little to no followers.

that's weird because any PC post is getting Hundreds and sometimes thousands of replies form NDP lovers spewing scare tactics, wonder if they are paid to do that

[5.4MarkVIII]

Was in the paper a few days ago

14182

Do you know what it means by a housing speculation tax?

is that when selling, buying or a yearly thing on owned property’s?


He NDP are set and primed to drive out business owners. The people running the companies that are giving jobs to people will get hit from every direction if the ndp get vote in.

[92redragtop]

From the Sun (not sure how they will police unused second homes though). I think this is a first step to finding some way to eventually tax primary residence gains in a few years.

http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ndp-propose-whopping-new-housing-speculation-tax


Owners of second properties could face thousands of dollars in new taxes every year under the Ontario NDP plan to target housing “speculators” throughout the Golden Horseshoe.

Once fully implemented, the tax on an applicable house assessed at $735,021 – the average selling price of a residential property in Toronto in 2017 – would be $14,700 annually.

The NDP are anticipating this new tax combined with the existing Non-Resident Speculation Tax (NRST), which would stay in place, will bring in a whopping $671 million in its first full year and every year after that for the life of a first term of government.

[92redragtop]

Federal level is taking aim as well in a different way:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/real-estate/article-cra-cracks-down-on-tax-cheating-by-real-estate-flippers/

[5.4MarkVIII]

so basically small rural areas like mine that thrive in the summertime due to business brought by cottagers would be ruined when people say fuck that to owning a second property

[Mellow Yellow]

From the Sun (not sure how they will police unused second homes though). I think this is a first step to finding some way to eventually tax primary residence gains in a few years.

http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/ndp-propose-whopping-new-housing-speculation-tax


Owners of second properties could face thousands of dollars in new taxes every year under the Ontario NDP plan to target housing “speculators” throughout the Golden Horseshoe.

Once fully implemented, the tax on an applicable house assessed at $735,021 – the average selling price of a residential property in Toronto in 2017 – would be $14,700 annually.

The NDP are anticipating this new tax combined with the existing Non-Resident Speculation Tax (NRST), which would stay in place, will bring in a whopping $671 million in its first full year and every year after that for the life of a first term of government.

Is there an exemption for people owning rental property? If not, I can see the available rental spaces dropping through the floor or rents will go sky high regardless of Landlord Tennant provisions.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Is there an exemption for people owning rental property? If not, I can see the available rental spaces dropping through the floor or rents will go sky high regardless of Landlord Tennant provisions.

pretty much what the dems did in seattle and that worked out so well


cant see there being an exemption for rental property because id say the main two reason s to own a second residential property would be as a rental and as a cottage (which a lot of owners rent out when they are not using it)

what about farmers who buy an extra farm and keep the house there for their kids in the future, $20 per thousand on a 4 million dollar farm?

[92redragtop]

Is there an exemption for people owning rental property? If not, I can see the available rental spaces dropping through the floor or rents will go sky high regardless of Landlord Tennant provisions.

I haven't read the NDP proposed policy directly but the article indicates that they will make some accommodation so as to not adversely affect the rental market. I'm not confident they can implement this any better than the BC government did (created problems and had to backtrack on some decisions).

[92redragtop]

that link bounces everywhere and appears to be for subscribers only.

Didn't realize that - here's the text:

CRA cracks down on tax cheating by real estate flippers

With the recent announcement of more than $100-million in new tax reassessments it’s clear the federal government remains intensely interested in catching real estate flippers in Toronto and Vancouver. And some tax professionals and real estate insiders believe this is merely the beginning as the Canada Revenue Agency targets players in the property market who may have been cheating on their taxes for years.

“I know lots of guys – some of the things they’ve done I can’t believe,” says Jamie Johnston, broker of record for Re/Max Condos Plus Corp. in Toronto. “They measure risk and reward, and that’s why they cheat.”

It is extremely rare for Canadians to be convicted or sent to jail in tax evasion: for example there are about 29 million tax filings annually in Canada and there were 37 convictions between April, 2016 and March, 2017; that’s about 0.0001 per cent. It’s a little less rare in the United States, where the Internal Revenue Service that sees about 151 million filings a year and had 2,672 convictions in 2016 (0.001 per cent). “In Canada you never go to jail, so the rewards are high and the risks are small. I think there’s a systemic problem, a whole bunch of people are not paying,” Mr. Johnston says.

But in the past two years the CRA has been sending a different signal: We are paying attention and the monetary risks are real.

Last week, CRA issued a release that summarized its recent enforcement efforts. Since 2015, $592-million in additional taxes related to real estate have been discovered, in the most recent year alone another $102.6-million was reassessed and $19.2-million in penalties for false claims have been levied (since 2015 it has levied $43.7-million in penalties). The government is now reviewing about 10,000 real estate-related cases a year and it can take its time to find cheaters: it can review a filing for up to four years after it is submitted.

“While the Canada Revenue Agency has always had a presence in the real estate sector, we have increased the focus on the sector to address growing concerns of non-compliance,” says Jeremy Ghio, press secretary for the office of Minister of National Revenue, Diane Lebouthillier. “Over the last few years, the economic factors in the Greater Toronto Area and the Lower Mainland of British Columbia, such as high-valued markets combined with rapid price increases, have further increased the risk of tax non-compliance in the real estate sector. ”

In a previous era of lax enforcement, some condo and detached home flippers have been able to own multiple properties and sell them off without declaring all the eligible taxes. Now, many are discovering the CRA has some very powerful tools in its enforcement box. The CRA can follow land registry and other data sources, locate suspicious looking transactions that went unrecorded or under-reported on tax filings and then file a reassessment. If disputed, the CRA can compel developers, utilities, banks and telecom providers to hand over data about a home that is under suspicion.

“You’re guilty till your proven innocent; that’s how the CRA’s model works,” says Justin Kutyan, a partner and tax litigator with KPMG Law LLP, an arm of accountancy giant KPMG in Canada. “ Even in tax court, the onus is on taxpayers to disprove the Minister’s assumption of fact. Our tax system is based on a self-reporting system – it’s based upon honesty and integrity – and they have a lot of tools to double-check that you’re honest. It becomes difficult, especially when they have the objective evidence: you barely showed up to the condo ever, you never swiped your card, you don’t buy hydro, your mail’s not forwarded there, Rogers has you listed at another house.”

One area the CRA has turned its attention to is filers who improperly claimed a GST rebate for a new or substantially renovated home. Even though the maximum rebate is $24,000 it’s only eligible for a primary residence and falsifying this can be a clue of other activity.

“On GST, they are just crazy at CRA. They are going after it hard,” says Mr. Kutyan, who is a long-time tax litigator and who previously argued cases for the CRA before switching to the defence team with white-shoe law firm Osler, Hoskin and Harcourt LLP, and now KPMG. “I think those are creating leads on the income tax side.”

Take the example of Gideon Margolin, a real estate broker who recently lost an appeal on a GST case involving the 2012 purchase (and 2014 sale) of a new-construction house at 116 Riding Mountain Dr. in Richmond Hill, Ont. Mr. Margolin declined to comment on his case when reached by The Globe and Mail, but the court documents fill in some of the details. Justice Randall Bocock’s ruling at the Tax Court of Canada found Mr. Margolin and his spouse, “did not intend to occupy it as their primary residence … [and] neither of them actually used the … property as their primary place of residence.”

The Crown introduced into evidence readings from the gas and electricity meters that effectively showed little consumption of those utilities in the five months between when the house was completed by the builder and when Mr. Margolin sold it. Mr. Margolin had several properties that he shuttled between, but movers and his cleaning lady testified that he essentially used Mountain Drive as a storage locker.

He also did not disclose that he bought and sold another new-construction house in Vaughan, Ont. referred to as “Lynvest” in the ruling, until asked by the Crown lawyers during the trial. “The Lynvest property was closed only 45 days before the acquisition of [116 Riding Mountain] and Lynvest was sold mere days before [116 Riding Mountain] was acquired, all escaping Mr. Margolin’s initial recall,” Justice Bocock wrote. The ruling notes that those other houses are not part of this case, even though Mr. Margolin told the court he was seeking to avoid “trouble” on them.

During all this time, and to this day, it appears Mr. Margolin primarily lived in a $2-million house on an 11-acre lot in King City, Ont.

These $24,000 GST rebates seem like small potatoes for the government, but once proved, they become the thin edge of the wedge to pry open and reassess the tax status of those flipped properties.

Most homeowners are aware that if they sell a newly purchased primary residence within one year they might be subject to capital gains taxes on 50 per cent of any profit they make on the sale. But if the CRA finds that the owner to be a habitual flipper, who doesn’t live in the homes and that they are bought and sold as an occupation, they will assess those proceeds as business income and apply a tax rate to 100 per cent of the profits on any property. Not to mention, if tax filings are incorrect, the government can assign penalties – with interest compounded monthly – that back-date to the time of the original incorrect filing.

That’s why Mr. Kutyan is seeing a lot more home flippers coming to him for legal advice and representation.

“We’ve been successful for some of these flippers to somehow at least get the penalties dropped and at least get a capital gains treatment,” he says. His advice for flippers is to plan ahead and budget to pay your taxes. “What’s that saying? ‘Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered?’”

[stangstevers]

Funny all the NDP signs around Lake Ridge have "no more 412 tolls".... The same people who said Ford is promising a bunch of crap without reason or means to pay slapped some black "free shit" stickers on their signs...

Glad this is over and we can go back to bitching about bad government decisions (whoever is in power).

[5.4MarkVIII]

I'm still nervous, hopefully its a quick count and over early so I can get some sleep

so far I have been told that, the liberals did a good job, that our economy is doing well, that the "rich" don't deserve what they have and its up to the government to force them to pay their fair share, that ford is trump, that we must stop whats happened in the us at all cost from happening here, that ford is canceling free health care, ect ect ect ect ect

[stangstevers]

Yeah meanwhile we have people quoting hitler, others encouraging communism, "fuck the police" protestor sign holder, soldiers are criminals, poppy's belong in the trash or should be bleached... Not sure why Andrea, who seems pretty intelligent or at least acts that way, surrounded herself with mental patients.

The PC's is the other way around, you have Ford (think what you want of him) surrounded by mostly intelligent people like Christine, etc...

[5.4MarkVIII]

I read once. “ the wisest man is the one who surrounds himself with people smarter than him”

[WTF]

just gonna drop this in here

this is the spawn of Andrea Horwath

https://www.instagram.com/heyy.julian/

the mother of this thing actually trotted him out on the campaign trail....and he is a full grown adult at 26 years old...so fair game imo

way to go Mom

[Laffs]

just gonna drop this in here

this is the spawn of Andrea Horwath

https://www.instagram.com/heyy.julian/

the mother of this thing actually trotted him out on the campaign trail....and he is a full grown adult at 26 years old...so fair game imo

way to go Mom


https://media.giphy.com/media/5eqG9dkr6N6wM/giphy.gif

https://i.imgur.com/q3iCWqE.jpg

[ZR]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/758/areyoufucking.jpg

[92redragtop]

Yeah meanwhile we have people quoting hitler, others encouraging communism, "fuck the police" protestor sign holder, soldiers are criminals, poppy's belong in the trash or should be bleached... Not sure why Andrea, who seems pretty intelligent or at least acts that way, surrounded herself with mental patients.


Wow, I'm missing all the "fun" - I haven't seen any of this during the election. What news sources are you seeing this on? (not saying it doesn't occur - just wondering how widespread it is outside of unions or activist groups like OCAP?).

[Old Fart]

^^^I saw those news articles in the Toronto Sun.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-hacked-facebook-post-never-reported-to-the-police

http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/warmington-ndp-candidate-says-she-wont-wear-a-poppy

http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/levy-ndp-candidate-targeted-police-chief-with-racial-slur

[5.4MarkVIII]

Are not a large number of the NDP candidates either activists or union affiliates? So makes sense to me.

[WTF]

Wow, I'm missing all the "fun" - I haven't seen any of this during the election. What news sources are you seeing this on? (not saying it doesn't occur - just wondering how widespread it is outside of unions or activist groups like OCAP?).

plenty of articles in the Sun and Nat-Post on some of these nutters

http://www.meetthendp.ca/

[stangstevers]

http://warrenkinsella.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/DeC6DK4VMAAY_Mc-2.jpg

https://scontent-a-lhr.cdninstagram.com/vp/f06feb230161103c3c58aea3c10dabc1/5BADB692/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/33210308_252685178613434_3867964121332842496_n.jpg

What the ugly cow laura kaminker said... she's also a 911 conspiracy theorist.

“I just wear my peace button on my jacket as always and wait for the collective brainwashing to blow over. When our masters give the signal, everyone can take off the fake poppy — made with prison labour — and create a bit more landfill. And another annual ritual of war glorification comes to a close."

Fighting hitler is bad but fighting a war against Christmas is good in her (IT's) eyes...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdqHeL5UQAAU_NP.jpg

There are more, don't have to read the right-wing propaganda machines to learn about the real NDP...

The majority of NDP candidates are marxists and anarchists. They are VERY dangerous people with dangerous ideas. NDP tomorrow is higher cost of living, less employment and less government services.

[5.4MarkVIII]

Just had a guy tell me that capitalism was the cause of child labour, sweatshops and things like the black lung. And the only reason we don’t have those things in the us and Canada is because of socialism.

[RedSN]

We need some form of calamity to cleanse the world of these hopeless individuals and hit the reset button...
What kind of calamity/anarchy/clensing/reset were you thinking of?


The majority of NDP candidates are marxists and anarchists.

[stangstevers]

hahaha man, I can't get away with anything :)

I was thinking something we should never wish for and hope never happens like an alien attack from outer space or something lol.

[RedSN]

Oh, Ok, LOL
Thought maybe the calamity you had in mind was the NDP.

[stangstevers]

Nah, unless I was speaking in hyperbole. <- I'm great at that... lol

[5.4MarkVIII]

Just had somone say. “If everyone would see the children I work with every day they would never again vote for a conservative government.”

I was like the children you work with were not born last time we had a conservative government in Ontario. How are they in any way to blame for the state of the kids you work with?

All I got was pretty much conservatives are evil and will cut funding

[92redragtop]

^^^I saw those news articles in the Toronto Sun.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-news/levy-hacked-facebook-post-never-reported-to-the-police

http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/warmington-ndp-candidate-says-she-wont-wear-a-poppy

http://torontosun.com/news/provincial/levy-ndp-candidate-targeted-police-chief-with-racial-slur

Not sure those are representative of the broader population of the supporting base and likely individual beliefs/positions or a smaller targeted/extreme group. Jill Andrew using a racial slur against Chief Saunders is a little rich considering she herself is black so not sure what's up with that.

The Facebook post is interesting because the NDP is saying two things at the same time - the page was hacked and the page is not theirs (both are possible). Isolated situation but they're not taking responsibility or any action to resolve. The PCs have a similar issue with the police officer candidate in Brampton claiming that a threatening letter/email that appears to have come from him was sent by someone who set up a fake email account with his name to discredit him, or Rob Ford's wife's lawsuit claims which Doug is saying are frivolous.

That said, with the NDP you're more likely to get the extreme nuts than with the other two parties (at least with regards to conservatives in Canada, versus US for example).

[92redragtop]

What the ugly cow laura kaminker said... she's also a 911 conspiracy theorist.

“I just wear my peace button on my jacket as always and wait for the collective brainwashing to blow over. When our masters give the signal, everyone can take off the fake poppy — made with prison labour — and create a bit more landfill. And another annual ritual of war glorification comes to a close."

Fighting hitler is bad but fighting a war against Christmas is good in her (IT's) eyes...

There are more, don't have to read the right-wing propaganda machines to learn about the real NDP...

The majority of NDP candidates are marxists and anarchists. They are VERY dangerous people with dangerous ideas. NDP tomorrow is higher cost of living, less employment and less government services.

The Hitler meme is odd - especially coming from a non-Christian brown person. Her group would be included in the atrocities committed by the Nazis.

[92redragtop]

plenty of articles in the Sun and Nat-Post on some of these nutters

http://www.meetthendp.ca/

Wow, what a bunch of winners they have in that group - proof that you need to know fuck-all to run for office (and a few of them are already in office so that is on the voters in their respective ridings!).

[fast Ed]

I'm not much of a fan of Conrad Black, or any of the party leaders that we have running, but here is a good column from Mr. Black about our current situation:

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-there-is-only-one-choice-for-ontario-doug-ford-must-be-the-next-premier

[Laffs]

Just visiting my local voting station, in and out shortly on lunch. Hearing same reports all over town. No reason not to get out and do the damn thing.

[92redragtop]

I'm not much of a fan of Conrad Black, or any of the party leaders that we have running, but here is a good column from Mr. Black about our current situation:

http://nationalpost.com/opinion/conrad-black-there-is-only-one-choice-for-ontario-doug-ford-must-be-the-next-premier

I hope he is right. Love his prose.

[92redragtop]

I was formerly derisive of Mr Black, buying into the canned media bias calling him a crook. I’m not much more familiar with him now but have appreciated/enjoyed the little of his writing I’ve sampled.

I suspend judgement.

I'm not a fan of his as I've been aware of his time as head of Hollinger way back and the evolution of the newspaper/media conglomerate he ran, the consolidation of editorial power away from regional markets (why I stopped my subscription to The Financial Post years ago after his company acquired it, the entitlement at shareholder expense - the House of Lords thing did not help, lol, theft and shredding of corporate documents, etc) but have always enjoyed listening to his perspectives and writings as an individual.

[92redragtop]

plenty of articles in the Sun and Nat-Post on some of these nutters

http://www.meetthendp.ca/

Some of these wingnuts actually won their ridings. :facepalm:

[StAnger]

Some of these wingnuts actually won their ridings. :facepalm:

Let me guess, downtown Toronto?

[5.4MarkVIII]

like all of London lol

my facebook feed had some good lols last night from people whining about how now Ontario was doomed, health care will be gutted, schools will be gutted, the only people left in Ontario will be the ultra rich ect ect ect

[92redragtop]

Let me guess, downtown Toronto?

Yes, mostly but Brampton had at least one, and the east side as well.

[fast Ed]

In the Guelph area there was a Green Party candidate who won the election, a first for Ontario.

[RedSN]

^^^I don't mind one of them getting in. I wouldn't want to see 60, LOL.

[ZR]

I thought it was cool he won a seat.