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ZR
11-09-2017, 06:11 PM
Orillia

Another fixture of Couchiching Beach Park could soon see some changes.
A enquiry motion put forward at council committee calls for the three decommissioned cannons at the beach, for decades pointed east toward Rama First Nation, to be moved 30 degrees.
For Coun. Pat Hehn, she's thinking of the children.
"They're pointed directly at Rama," she said. "If you were a little kid and you came into town and saw them pointed where you live (you'd wonder) 'why are they pointed at us?'"
Hehn said she has heard the concern about the cannons echoed by many representatives from Rama over the years. Now, the gesture could be a simple way for the city to show it is a willing partner in reconciliation, specifically with its closest Indigenous neighbours. That's why Mayor Steve Clarke supported Hehn's enquiry motion.
"I really think it's a simple request," Clarke said. "Some of the wheels to do this were in motion already ... There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that our friends in Rama are truly our partners socially, culturally and economically."
Clarke is hopeful the move could possibly tie into another project at Couchiching Beach Park centred around the Samuel de Champlain monument. Some sort of installation is being planned for the area around the monument that will reflect the relationship between Indigenous and non-Indigenous persons in the area better than the Champlain monument does.
A number of groups, including Rama First Nation and the city's parks, recreation and culture department are engaged in that initiative.
Ever since culture manager Jacqueline Soczka came to work for the city, she's been looking into the history of the cannons: where they came from, why they're here and what's their significance.
But it's still a bit of a mystery to her.
"I'm not sure I've found anything definitive at this point," she said.
Initial research shows the city was given surplus cannons in the 1920s, following the end of the First World War. Two of them are similar size, but one is smaller, given to the city for the sacrifices made by local soldiers in the Battle of the Amiens.
What Soczka hasn't found is anything to indicate why the cannons were situated in such away to where they were pointed directly at the city's Indigenous neighbours across the lake.
"We were asked to be stewards of the cannons and take care of them," she said. "Often, (cannons) point out toward the water. So, it made sense to position them in that way. But we were never a naval port. It was probably more tradition than any reason I can see at this point."
The enquiry motion is up for ratification at Monday's council meeting. If approved, staff will begin its investigation as to how to reorient the cannons and where exactly they should point. Assessments into their condition and the physical viability of moving them will be made then.
Those will have those decisions in association with the Chippewas of Rama First Nation. Representatives from Rama declined to comment on the issue until a later time.
When these cannons would be moved is also yet to be determined, but it is possible the equipment needed to re-erect the Samuel de Champlain monument could also be utilized for this initiative.

RedSN
11-09-2017, 06:18 PM
I'm fine with re-aiming the cannons ....provided we can shoot Hehn from one of them first.

WTF
11-09-2017, 06:22 PM
oh for fucks sake

did I miss something somewhere....when everyone lost their fucking backbone?

Ghost Rider
11-09-2017, 06:44 PM
this is hilarious and I'll tell you why...

shit...brb

StAnger
11-09-2017, 08:49 PM
So all it takes is one person to be "offended" and suddenly something needs to be done... Fuck me, I hate this country.

Ghost Rider
11-09-2017, 08:54 PM
okay I'm back...had some porn in the oven...

Anyways, it doesn't specify which direction they would move the Cannon's...right now they actually point right at Casino Rama. I would assume to the South though, even thought that would still point across to Ramara Township, if they point it 30° the other way though, it's going to point directly at "Big Chief" (Chiefs Island) which is more sacred to the Chippewas of Rama than any land they own as the island is an Ancient Indian Chief burial ground as well as other Tribe Warriors.

Anyways, living a large portion of my life in the area, I cam to know many Chippewas and I'll tell you, they don't give a shit that the Cannon's are pointed that way now and have been since they've been there (They may care if you point them at their Chiefs though) LOL

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Scrape
11-10-2017, 07:15 AM
Well that is certainly messed up.

ZR
11-10-2017, 07:33 AM
Ridiculous it's even a discussion let alone they are gonna move em.

RedSN
11-10-2017, 09:36 AM
I hate this country.
:repost:

Quicksilver
11-10-2017, 12:14 PM
What the f--- is this society coming to? Pretty soon they may even have to outlaw language, altogether, for fear that just by talking we might offend somebody.

Mellow Yellow
11-10-2017, 01:13 PM
okay I'm back...had some porn in the oven...

Anyways, it doesn't specify which direction they would move the Cannon's...right now they actually point right at Casino Rama. I would assume to the South though, even thought that would still point across to Ramara Township, if they point it 30° the other way though, it's going to point directly at "Big Chief" (Chiefs Island) which is more sacred to the Chippewas of Rama than any land they own as the island is an Ancient Indian Chief burial ground as well as other Tribe Warriors.

Anyways, living a large portion of my life in the area, I cam to know many Chippewas and I'll tell you, they don't give a shit that the Cannon's are pointed that way now and have been since they've been there (They may care if you point them at their Chiefs though) LOL

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OK....what is the range of those cannons? and how far is it to the other shore?

I'm sure if they were fired the cannon ball wouldn't get anywhere near the other shore.

RedSN
11-10-2017, 01:36 PM
looks like they are aimed at a tree.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@44.6164187,-79.4135184,3a,75y,51.75h,73.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUgNWigg3uqkh1YPKJTiFkQ!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656?hl=en

Ghost Rider
11-10-2017, 01:52 PM
OK....what is the range of those cannons? and how far is it to the other shore?

I'm sure if they were fired the cannon ball wouldn't get anywhere near the other shore.


your looking at around 4km-5km across on that angle...lol

5.4MarkVIII
11-10-2017, 07:56 PM
Better then the news down here again. Local Provincial park has been ocupied AGAIN.

One local navigator American claims to be a descendent of a tribe that had a treaty with the government for all the Lake front land stretching from Sarnia down to past Bayfield.

Not the first time they have occupied the provincial park trying to force the government to let them have it.

Mellow Yellow
11-11-2017, 12:14 AM
Better then the news down here again. Local Provincial park has been ocupied AGAIN.

One local navigator American claims to be a descendent of a tribe that had a treaty with the government for all the Lake front land stretching from Sarnia down to past Bayfield.

Not the first time they have occupied the provincial park trying to force the government to let them have it.

Didn't they get Ipperwash?

5.4MarkVIII
11-11-2017, 08:02 AM
Yes. But they want the entire stretch

Superseven
11-11-2017, 10:18 AM
I think the solution is each cannon can be placed on a rotating platform, this way we can all be equally pointed at....

Hmm that tree across the street is pointing at me, I should talk to my neighbour.


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83 5.0
11-12-2017, 05:38 PM
Just like the Toronto District School Board striking Chief from job titles, always looking for someone to be offended. Maybe just get on with educating our kids (which they seem to be failing at),
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-thursday-edition-1.4351670/an-empty-gesture-and-ludicrous-backlash-grows-after-school-board-removes-chief-from-job-titles-1.4351678