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ZR
07-19-2017, 07:40 AM
The 340 lost jobs at the Siemens Canada wind turbine plant in Tillsonburg announced Tuesday are the tip of the iceberg.
That’s because Ontario’s renewable energy industry, including wind, is built on a house of cards of massive public subsidies that was always only going to last as long as the subsidies kept coming.
Because of the incompetence of the Kathleen Wynne and Dalton McGuinty Liberal governments, Ontarians are now facing a perfect storm of multiple energy crises.
They’re paying the highest electricity rates in Canada - which the Liberals say they’re going to fix by plunging us even deeper into debt - while billions of locked-in public dollars are being wasted on unneeded, unreliable and expensive green energy, combined with the first of what could be thousands of layoffs in the sector.
The closure of this plant - one of four set up under the province’s multi-billion dollar green energy deal with South Korea’s Samsung corporation arising out of 2009’s disastrous Green Energy Act - was in the cards ever since Premier Wynne announced in September, 2016 that the government was cancelling all future wind megaprojects because of an energy surplus.
An energy surplus created in part by the skyrocketing prices of green energy, where Ontarians now pay, according to Auditor General Bonnie Lysyk, twice the U.S. average for wind power and 3.5 times the average for solar.
The first visible indication the industry was in trouble occurred in 2013, when the Liberals downsized their $9.3-billion deal with Samsung by more than one-third.
As independent energy analyst Tom Adams told our sister paper, the London Free Press, Tuesday, future layoffs are likely in Ontario’s wind industry unless it can drum up new business outside Ontario, where the market is saturated.
“I think it was always pretty obvious that whatever jobs were going to arise from the Green Energy Act were all temporary or almost all temporary” Adams said, noting that once the subsidies dry up, wind developers leave.
It’s not as if the Liberals weren’t warned.
In 2011, then auditor general Jim McCarter told the then McGuinty government its claims of creating 50,000 new green energy jobs by 2012 through its 2009 Green Energy Act, were a mirage.
McCarter found 30,000 of those jobs were in construction, lasting only one to three years, and the government had failed to take into account studies in other jurisdictions showing that for each job created through renewable energy, two to four were lost in other sectors of the economy, because of higher electricity prices.
And yet through all this, including a finding by Lysyk in 2015 that the Liberals could have saved $9.2 billion if they had simply listened to the advice of their own experts on how to price green energy projects, the Liberals blundered on.
They doubled down, basking themselves in the praise of Al Gore, who kept coming to Ontario to tell them how wonderful their leadership on green energy was.
The ultimate absurdity is that the Liberals didn’t replace Ontario’s coal-fired electricity with wind and solar power as they suggest.
They replaced it with nuclear power and natural gas.
Wind and solar were always a multi-billion-dollar boondoggle.
Sadly it’s honest workers and hydro consumers who are now paying the price of Liberal blunders.

ZR
07-19-2017, 07:43 AM
Real people with real families loosing real jobs.


TILLSONBURG - The loss of 340 jobs at a factory that makes blades for wind turbines could be harbinger of troubles ahead in Ontario’s green-energy industry, a leading analyst says.
Siemens Canada announced Tuesday it’s closing its Tillsonburg plant, one of four Ontario green-energy factories set up under a controversial, multi-billion-dollar deal with Korean industrial giant Samsung.
The closing of one of the town’s largest employers came after weeks of nervous speculation.
But energy analyst Tom Adams said Ontario’s green-energy industry could be in for a rough ride if it doesn’t lay its hands on orders from outside Ontario, arguing the provincial market is saturated with wind and solar electricity brought online since the Liberal government plunged headlong into green energy in 2009.
“I think it was always pretty obvious that whatever jobs were going to arise from the Green Energy Act were all temporary or almost all temporary,” Adams said, referencing the provincial law that paved the way for big wind farms in Ontario under contracts paying energy giants more than consumers pay for power.
“Samsung had no history in renewable energy before they came to Ontario. They came only for the subsidies, and when the subsidies dry up, they’ll disappear as quick as they landed,” said Adams, an independent energy and environmental advisor and researcher.
In 2010, four plants to make parts for wind and solar energy farms were set up under the Samsung deal between the company and the province to generate power for Ontario and create green-energy jobs.
Besides the Tillsonburg plant, the others include a wind tower plant in Windsor and factories in London and Toronto that make equipment for the solar-power industry.
Siemens employees were summoned by the company to a Tuesday briefing at a Tillsonburg community centre before the jobs axe fell on the town of 16,000.
It’s nothing they didn’t see coming, said some workers who gathered outside the centre.
“Welcome to Southwestern Ontario — here today, gone tomorrow,” Ervin Underhill said of manufacturing in the region.
“It’s as unpredictable as the weather.”
With so much power now available, the government has been accused of dumping green energy and has come under fire for skyrocketing electricity prices that have essentially doubled over the last decade in Ontario.
The government’s about-face on renewable energy project, halting further large buys, was the beginning of the end, said worker Lee Blair of London.
“We saw the writing on the wall when the Liberals cut the funding to the green energy (projects),” he said.
Though Blair and Underhill said they knew a closing was inevitable, a lockout Sunday — workers arrived to find the plant closed and were directed to Tuesday’s meeting instead — still came as a shock.
“There was quite a bit of anger in there because they shut the place down the other night and never really told anybody about it,” employee Rick Hunt said.
“It was bang, everything was locked down.”
Hunt said workers were told Tuesday the company is trying to formulate a plan and keep things running as long as possible.
A very small portion of employees — Underhill estimated about 25 — will stay on to close the plant.
“This was a very difficult decision that was taken only after assessing all the options,” said David Hickey, head of Siemens Gamesa Business in Canada.
“We have a great team of employees at the plant who have produced quality work for the last six years, and we sincerely appreciate their efforts.”
Underhill said employees thought they might have more time.
“In January they told us we were good until 2020,” he said.
“They strung us along more than anything.”

83 5.0
07-19-2017, 08:59 AM
This region also got hit with around 500 layoffs at Cami Ingersoll, as some production moved to Mexico.
The Liberals will just add any costs from the green energy experiment to the debt to kick it down the road for another generation

RedSN
07-19-2017, 09:14 AM
The 340 lost jobs at the Siemens Canada wind turbine plant in Tillsonburg announced Tuesday
....
“It was bang, everything was locked down.”

Still not as bad as the 15,000 jobs lost at A.V. Roe Canada in Malton due to the Conservatives.


I feel bad for the workers, but they knew the contract termination was coming, just not this soon. There's so much hatred and public revolt against the wind turbines, what did they think they were going to be building blades forever? If the Conservatives were elected, they would have canceled the wind turbines tout suite! ...and those jobs would have eventually been lost.

I'm confused? The Liberals are being blamed for creating the jobs, but now being blamed for taking away the jobs?

92redragtop
07-19-2017, 10:38 AM
Yeah, from the outset we knew the subsidies were not sustainable and too rich for the recipients (I know of accountants who were advising clients to set up renewable energy systems (solar/wind) on farms and industrial properties just to take advantage of the cash that was being doled out for these things and the price per Kw that the Liberals were paying. My response at the time was that the party will end eventually and likely before they recoup the cost of buying/installing these systems (even though there were some subsidies for partial cost offset available).

ZR
07-19-2017, 03:06 PM
Rub for me, big business swooped in, made ridiculous money then tossed workers to the curb, all on our dime.

92redragtop
07-19-2017, 06:35 PM
Rub for me, big business swooped in, made ridiculous money then tossed workers to the curb, all on our dime.

Yes, there is that aspect and that's all the Liberals doing for creating an environment that was ripe for legal exploitation. The problem is that Dalton and Wynne are dealing with people a lot smarter than themselves and they lose every time by leaving the door wide open with inappropriate controls (energy, insurance, healthcare, air ambulance, etc, etc).

ZR
07-19-2017, 06:48 PM
^ Yes sir, nailed it!!!

WTF
07-19-2017, 07:45 PM
lets not forget who set up the Green Energy Act contracts

George Fucking Smitherman

what a piece of work

questionably qualified to even park a car and yet gets the power to sign these deals

normal people wouldn't give that bag of wind 2 seconds of their time

the Ontario Liberals made him a Minister

the guy should be in jail imo

92redragtop
07-19-2017, 10:04 PM
lets not forget who set up the Green Energy Act contracts

George Fucking Smitherman

what a piece of work

questionably qualified to even park a car and yet gets the power to sign these deals

normal people wouldn't give that bag of wind 2 seconds of their time

the Ontario Liberals made him a Minister

the guy should be in jail imo

He's also the e-Health guy I think....so stellar record????

ZR
07-19-2017, 10:21 PM
^ Two posts above, agreed.

Monera3v
07-20-2017, 12:25 AM
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RedSN
07-20-2017, 09:49 AM
Great find Monera! It works on so many levels.


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Monera3v
07-20-2017, 10:52 AM
Great find Monera! It works on so many levels.


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I have no hope for our government!

Spock
07-20-2017, 08:27 PM
Just remember " ONTARIO CAN'T WYNNE"