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05-30-2017, 08:04 AM
http://st.motortrend.com/uploads/sites/5/2017/05/2017-Chevrolet-Camaro-ZL1-VS-2017-Ford-Mustang-Shelby-GT350R-front-end-in-motion-06-e1495817941619.jpg?interpolation=lanczos-none&fit=around%7C660%3A438
(http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2017/2017-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=592d42a204d3013e58893352&utm_medium&utm_source)There ain’t nothing Shakespearean about it. The ponycar wars are no longer a Tempest in a teapot. Gone are the days when Camaros and Mustangs were straight-line beasts (at least in the eyes of their owners) and lacked any sort of handling or finesse.
But what is past is prologue. These days, even the entry-level iterations (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2016/comparison-2016-chevrolet-camaro-rs-vs-2016-ford-mustang-ecoboost/) offer up actual sporty good times. And the midgrade versions (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2016/2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss-vs-2016-ford-mustang-gt/)—Camaro SS and Mustang GT—can bloody the lip of Europe’s finest. For not a ton of coin, either. Then you have the even more potent and more track-focused stuff, the battle that has raged for 50 years. You need your biggest guns; you want to go into battle with your heaviest weapons. For team Camaro, that’s the ZL1. For the Ford (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/) Performance folks, it’s none other than the Shelby GT350R. These are extreme machines, in both monstrous function and opulent excrescence.
Is this the perfect comparison test? No. The naturally aspirated Shelby makes a healthy 526 horsepower from its lovably cacophonous 5.2-liter flat-plane crank V-8. Whereas the Camaro’s relatively subdued 6.2-liter supercharged V-8 produces a mighty 650 horsepower and 650 lb-ft of torque—which is over 200 more lb-ft of twisting force than the naturally aspirated Voodoo motor can manage (429 lb-ft). Comparing forced induction to natural aspiration is always a sticky wicket. Not quite apples to oranges—more like apples to pears. You can make cider from both, but there is a difference. At least both feature six-speed manual transmissions—the ZL1 is also available with a 10-speed automatic. Further complicating this test is that Chevy (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/) has announced the 1LE version of the ZL1—the nearly palindromic ZL1 1LE. One could argue that the Shelby GT350 is to the ZL1 as the GT350R is to the ZL1 1LE. But as Donald Rumsfeld so sagely said, “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want.”
(http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2017/2017-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=592d42a204d3013e58893352&utm_medium&utm_source)Also, I’d counter that this is a pretty damn good comparison test. At this moment in time, the GT350R is the highest-performing ponycar Ford makes, and the same is true in regard to the Chevy. They are the beasts atop the food chain, so to speak. Also, in terms of price, they’re right on top of each other. The white ZL1 pictured here stickers for $65,230. The much more limited-production blue and black striped Shelby R: $68,020.
I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that you’re going to have a difficult time picking up a GT350R for the sticker price. Two years after it first went on sale, the ultimate Mustang is still selling for $25,000 or thereabouts over sticker. I’ll never forget the first time I drove an R because although I was conscious of the greedy dealer markup, after one corner, “totally worth it” went through my head. Likewise with the mightiest-ever Camaro, I remember watching my colleague Scott Evans detonate a mushroom-cloud burnout and thinking $65K is a bargain.
The Shelby remains a mystery to me, and here’s why: The GT350 is a Mustang with a brilliant engine. The GT350R—which ostensibly only adds a bit of aero, carbon-fiber wheels, and R compound tires, removes the back seat, and slightly reworks the suspension—is as good to drive as a Porsche (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/) GT3. It is a pure and totally wonderful driver’s car. In fact, last year at our 2016 Best Driver’s Car (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mclaren/570/2016/2016-motor-trend-best-drivers-car/), a Shelby R finished in second place behind the winning McLaren (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mclaren/) 570S. More impressively, we judged the GT350R better to drive than the Porsche 911 (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/911/) Carrera S, Camaro SS 1LE, Dodge Viper (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge/viper/) ACR, AMG GT S, Audi R8 (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/audi/r8/) V10 Plus, and Acura NSX (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/acura/nsx/), among others. Those are serious cars, some of which are outright supercars, yet our judges determined the bright yellow Mustang with the loud exhaust superior. It’s that great.
The ZL1 hasn’t run the Best Driver’s Car gantlet yet, but it stacks up to other cars that we’ve lapped on the big track at Willow Springs International Raceway. The supercharged Chevy (with the six-speed manual) beat the Corvette Grand Sport, AMG GT S, 911 Carrera S (991.2), 911 Turbo S, 991 GT3, and McLaren 570S. To be fair, the 570S was a prototype. But still, damn! Not bad for a Camaro.
In the interest of high-quality reportage, we of course relapped the ZL1 (as fate would have it, our white car is the same car in which Randy Pobst set the 1:26.12 mark in last January) and the Shelby. The first takeaway is that despite being way down on power and torque, the Shelby was only 0.39 second slower around Big Willow than the ZL1. That’s impressive but not surprising. Why not? At Mazda (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazda/) Raceway Laguna Seca, the GT350R laid down a quicker lap than cars such as the Ferrari (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ferrari/) 458 Italia, various Nissan (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/nissan/) GT-Rs, Acura (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/acura/) NSX, and Lexus (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexus/) LFA. I claim magic, though as Randy mentioned this time out, “I think that wing is doing something.”
(http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2017/2017-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=592d42a204d3013e58893352&utm_medium&utm_source)
Read the rest here: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2017/2017-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=592d42a204d3013e58893352&utm_medium&utm_source
(http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2017/2017-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=592d42a204d3013e58893352&utm_medium&utm_source)There ain’t nothing Shakespearean about it. The ponycar wars are no longer a Tempest in a teapot. Gone are the days when Camaros and Mustangs were straight-line beasts (at least in the eyes of their owners) and lacked any sort of handling or finesse.
But what is past is prologue. These days, even the entry-level iterations (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2016/comparison-2016-chevrolet-camaro-rs-vs-2016-ford-mustang-ecoboost/) offer up actual sporty good times. And the midgrade versions (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/camaro/2016/2016-chevrolet-camaro-ss-vs-2016-ford-mustang-gt/)—Camaro SS and Mustang GT—can bloody the lip of Europe’s finest. For not a ton of coin, either. Then you have the even more potent and more track-focused stuff, the battle that has raged for 50 years. You need your biggest guns; you want to go into battle with your heaviest weapons. For team Camaro, that’s the ZL1. For the Ford (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/) Performance folks, it’s none other than the Shelby GT350R. These are extreme machines, in both monstrous function and opulent excrescence.
Is this the perfect comparison test? No. The naturally aspirated Shelby makes a healthy 526 horsepower from its lovably cacophonous 5.2-liter flat-plane crank V-8. Whereas the Camaro’s relatively subdued 6.2-liter supercharged V-8 produces a mighty 650 horsepower and 650 lb-ft of torque—which is over 200 more lb-ft of twisting force than the naturally aspirated Voodoo motor can manage (429 lb-ft). Comparing forced induction to natural aspiration is always a sticky wicket. Not quite apples to oranges—more like apples to pears. You can make cider from both, but there is a difference. At least both feature six-speed manual transmissions—the ZL1 is also available with a 10-speed automatic. Further complicating this test is that Chevy (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevrolet/) has announced the 1LE version of the ZL1—the nearly palindromic ZL1 1LE. One could argue that the Shelby GT350 is to the ZL1 as the GT350R is to the ZL1 1LE. But as Donald Rumsfeld so sagely said, “You go to war with the army you have, not the army you might want.”
(http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2017/2017-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=592d42a204d3013e58893352&utm_medium&utm_source)Also, I’d counter that this is a pretty damn good comparison test. At this moment in time, the GT350R is the highest-performing ponycar Ford makes, and the same is true in regard to the Chevy. They are the beasts atop the food chain, so to speak. Also, in terms of price, they’re right on top of each other. The white ZL1 pictured here stickers for $65,230. The much more limited-production blue and black striped Shelby R: $68,020.
I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that you’re going to have a difficult time picking up a GT350R for the sticker price. Two years after it first went on sale, the ultimate Mustang is still selling for $25,000 or thereabouts over sticker. I’ll never forget the first time I drove an R because although I was conscious of the greedy dealer markup, after one corner, “totally worth it” went through my head. Likewise with the mightiest-ever Camaro, I remember watching my colleague Scott Evans detonate a mushroom-cloud burnout and thinking $65K is a bargain.
The Shelby remains a mystery to me, and here’s why: The GT350 is a Mustang with a brilliant engine. The GT350R—which ostensibly only adds a bit of aero, carbon-fiber wheels, and R compound tires, removes the back seat, and slightly reworks the suspension—is as good to drive as a Porsche (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/) GT3. It is a pure and totally wonderful driver’s car. In fact, last year at our 2016 Best Driver’s Car (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mclaren/570/2016/2016-motor-trend-best-drivers-car/), a Shelby R finished in second place behind the winning McLaren (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mclaren/) 570S. More impressively, we judged the GT350R better to drive than the Porsche 911 (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/porsche/911/) Carrera S, Camaro SS 1LE, Dodge Viper (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/dodge/viper/) ACR, AMG GT S, Audi R8 (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/audi/r8/) V10 Plus, and Acura NSX (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/acura/nsx/), among others. Those are serious cars, some of which are outright supercars, yet our judges determined the bright yellow Mustang with the loud exhaust superior. It’s that great.
The ZL1 hasn’t run the Best Driver’s Car gantlet yet, but it stacks up to other cars that we’ve lapped on the big track at Willow Springs International Raceway. The supercharged Chevy (with the six-speed manual) beat the Corvette Grand Sport, AMG GT S, 911 Carrera S (991.2), 911 Turbo S, 991 GT3, and McLaren 570S. To be fair, the 570S was a prototype. But still, damn! Not bad for a Camaro.
In the interest of high-quality reportage, we of course relapped the ZL1 (as fate would have it, our white car is the same car in which Randy Pobst set the 1:26.12 mark in last January) and the Shelby. The first takeaway is that despite being way down on power and torque, the Shelby was only 0.39 second slower around Big Willow than the ZL1. That’s impressive but not surprising. Why not? At Mazda (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/mazda/) Raceway Laguna Seca, the GT350R laid down a quicker lap than cars such as the Ferrari (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ferrari/) 458 Italia, various Nissan (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/nissan/) GT-Rs, Acura (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/acura/) NSX, and Lexus (http://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexus/) LFA. I claim magic, though as Randy mentioned this time out, “I think that wing is doing something.”
(http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2017/2017-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=592d42a204d3013e58893352&utm_medium&utm_source)
Read the rest here: http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford/mustang/2017/2017-chevrolet-camaro-zl1-vs-2017-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350r-review/?sm_id=organic_fb_MT_trueanthem&utm_campaign&utm_content=592d42a204d3013e58893352&utm_medium&utm_source