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ZR
03-07-2017, 08:47 AM
There’s trouble in the headlines for Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne.
With her Liberals bumping along a solid (http://poll.forumresearch.com/category/2/ontario/)third among voters, 20 points behind the little-known Patrick Brown’s Tories, Wynne threw her Hail Mary pass last week after suddenly concluding that power rates were too high. She announced a plan to slash them 17 per cent by the simple act of adding billions of dollars in extra interest – up to $1.4 billion a year – to the bill to be paid by future generations, on top of a debt that has spiraled to $300 billion via previous Liberal spending.
Rather than the hoped for hosannas, however, Wynne awoke Saturday to news that disgruntled colleagues may be plotting against her. The Toronto Star, the newspaper of choice for generations of Liberal faithful, suggested that if the power ploy doesn’t work, Wynne could find herself facing a rebellion.
Robert Benzie, the Star’s veteran Queen’s Park watcher, reported that “there are whispers at Queen’s Park about who might replace Premier Kathleen Wynne as Liberal leader” if her gambit fails to reverse the deep antipathy towards her and her government. One “grim-faced top Grit” told him: “Look, we can’t let the premier take the party down with her.”

This is serious stuff, coming from a newspaper that lives to promote eternal Liberal rule. No one should underestimate Liberal skills at backroom plotting. This is the party that ousted a prime minister after he had delivered them three successive majorities, because they thought his finance minister had a better chance of securing a fourth. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s federal Liberals follow (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/pmo-staffer-will-run-for-liberals-in-federal-byelection-after-winning-nomination-opponents-said-favoured-her)a well-established practice of ignoring (https://www.hilltimes.com/2017/02/27/markham-thornhill-liberals-open-revolt-alleging-party-rigging-nomination-process-get-pm-trudeaus-top-adviser-ng-elected-candidate/97556) local preferences while parachuting in preferred candidates. Wynne’s Liberals have been just as ruthless in backroom manoeuvring, resulting (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/lougheed-charged-elections-act-1.3830599)in bribery charges under the Elections Act against two high-ranking party members over a 2015 Sudbury byelection.

<iframe name="fsk_frame_splitbox" id="fsk_frame_splitbox" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="" webkitallowfullscreen="" mozallowfullscreen="" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width: 620px; height: 368px; border-width: initial; border-style: none;"></iframe>Wynne owes her position to the departure of former premier Dalton McGuinty, who saw a similar collapse in Liberal support over his decision to cancel two power plants before an election, and spirited efforts by opposition parties to discover the true cost. After winning the contest to replace McGuinty, Wynne conceded that the party had blundered and pledged to repair the damage. Yet her latest energy minister – who just recently told utilities to stop cutting off people’s power in the middle of winter – acknowledged that Ontarians are still struggling with “sub-optimal” conditions. Wynne and her officials hadn’t appreciated the unfairness of asking Ontarians to pay the full cost of Liberal programs, but now see that “intergenerational fairness” demands some of the bill be piled on future taxpayers.

The good thing about future generations, of course, is that they’re not around to defend themselves. But even current generations may not be thrilled with the government’s habit of ratcheting up the debt load any time it gets into a jam. In a made-for-media moment, Wynne telephoned several Ontarians to personally explain her plan, only to run into a woman from Sturgeon Falls who questioned (http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/northern-ontario-woman-puts-wynne-on-the-hot-seat-in-phone-call-see-that-you-get-good-advisers)the added billions it will cost and suggested Wynne get some better aides because “you’ve got a team there working and some of those are really bad advisers.”
Benzie went so far as to speculate (https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2017/03/03/seven-people-who-might-replace-premier-kathleen-wynne.html)on seven possible replacements should the party conclude Wynne has to go. They included Attorney General Yasir Naqvi, despite (http://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/reevely-yasir-naqvis-credibility-on-jail-reform-in-pieces-after-shower-cell-admission)a troubled (http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/platt-ottawas-jail-sees-another-horrifying-story-and-the-government-again-appears-oblivious)performance as Ontario’s correctional services minister; Health Minister Eric Hoskins, best known for trenchant relations with Ontario’s disgruntled doctors; dulcet-toned Finance Minister Charles Sousa, whose Mulroney-like oratory can resemble a radio pitch-man flogging laxatives; and even Sandra Pupatello, who has the advantage of having quit politics after losing the leadership to Wynne in 2013 and thus can’t be blamed for anything that’s followed.
There’s already a bump in the road to new leadership, however. Wynne only sought the job after McGuinty stepped down of his own volition, and managed to win the next election thanks to an epically bungled Progressive Conservative campaign. Liberals who hope to repeat that feat have to contend with the fact the premier has no intention of giving them their wish.
“I’m going to run in the election in 2018,” she told the CBC after unveiling her power plan. “My job is not finished.”
Fear of her finishing her “job” may be just what frightens Ontarians, as three years of her leadership has seen the party sink to even lower levels than those that persuaded McGuinty to throw in the towel. Replacing an unpopular leader is one thing; forcing out a second premier in desperate hope of appeasing an angry electorate may be too much even for Ontario’s passive population. In the end, Wynne could be saved by her refusal to go quietly.

5.4MarkVIII
03-07-2017, 10:19 AM
It's all part of the plan.
Support for her and the party are at an all time low. Her simply stepping down won't be enough to passify liberal voters who are fed up with the rest of us.

BUT. If she refuses to step down and the party "rallys" together and kicks her out. Saying it was all her fault and they could not stop it.
Then the lemmings will cheer and vote for the new leader that is promising change.

RedSN
03-07-2017, 10:23 AM
This is serious stuff
You're worried that the Libs will replace Wynne thus giving them a better shot at another Win?
That the only way the PC's can beat them is if the Libs have a leader that is soooooo terrible and hated that people will vote PC just to get rid of Wynne?


The Conservatives need to come up with a strong party and platform to win on it's own strength. They need to break into the GTA if they have any hope. It doesn't matter who the Lib leader is.

True Blue
03-07-2017, 11:25 AM
The Conservatives need to come up with a strong party and platform to win on it's own strength. They need to break into the GTA if they have any hope. It doesn't matter who the Lib leader is.

Exactly!

Take into consideration the Libs silently extended the public sector contracts another 2yrs will probably lock in a good number of votes. And then you have those immigrants that have been here for a long time, all they know and vote for are the Liberals no matter how bad they fuck up. Thanks to papa Trudope.

The Libs will win again.

5.4MarkVIII
03-07-2017, 11:30 AM
They had a strong platform the last election they told the truth. That the libs had fattened up middle management in public sector work places.
That the libs had over spent and risked the economy with ludacrist green energy contracts.
That the libs had lied cheated and stolen their way threw their leadership roll in Ontario.

And that the only way to fix it was to makes cuts and start being fiscally responsible.

People are stupid and listened to more lies from the libs. And voted them back in
Now we are worse off and everyone blames the cons for it doing a good job.

It's laughable when you really think about it.

mavrrrick
03-07-2017, 12:09 PM
I'm in the public sector...I sure won't vote that C U Next Tuesday back in!!!

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92redragtop
03-07-2017, 12:15 PM
The unions voted them in last time and will again. Even members on here (in unions) said they would vote with the ir union for the Liberals even though knew it would be bad for the province as a whole. When the time comes, it will be rinse and repeat.

R3troGT
03-07-2017, 02:58 PM
Exactly!

Take into consideration the Libs silently extended the public sector contracts another 2yrs will probably lock in a good number of votes. And then you have those immigrants that have been here for a long time, all they know and vote for are the Liberals no matter how bad they fuck up. Thanks to papa Trudope.

The Libs will win again.

Immigrants can only vote if they have become Canadian Citizens. You need to live in Canada for at least 3 years before you can apply to take the Citizens test. From the time you apply it takes at least a year before you get to take the test.
So any of the recently brought in lot by Trudeau won’t be eligible to vote yet next year. At least if the regular rules are followed

True Blue
03-07-2017, 03:20 PM
Immigrants can only vote if they have become Canadian Citizens. You need to live in Canada for at least 3 years before you can apply to take the Citizens test. From the time you apply it takes at least a year before you get to take the test.
So any of the recently brought in lot by Trudeau won’t be eligible to vote yet next year. At least if the regular rules are followed

I should have been more clearer... I was referring to immigrants that have been here for 30+ years that are Canadian Citizens. A great number of them only see red when it comes to election time. That's why I made the Papa Trudope remark.

ZR
03-24-2017, 07:00 AM
Premier Kathleen Wynne’s approval rating has hit an all-time low, dropping to 12 per cent in a recent Angus Reid Institute survey.
The survey found that 81 per cent of respondents disapproved of the job that Wynne is doing as premier while just 12 per cent approve of it. A further seven per cent said they were unsure.
The poll was conducted from March 6 to 13, which is after Wynne announced a plan to cut hydro rates by as much as 25 per cent.
Of note, the result marks the sixth straight decline for Wynne’s approval rating in Angus Reid polls. The last time the firm released a poll in December, Wynne’s approval rating stood at 16 per cent.
The low approval rating also puts Wynne in a class of her own among Canadian premiers.
The least popular premier outside of Wynne was Newfoundland’s Dwight Ball, who had an approval rating of 20 per cent.
Saskatchewan’s Brad Wall was Canada’s most popular premier with an approval rating of 52 per cent.
The online survey of 5,404 Canadians is considered accurate to within two percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

mavrrrick
03-24-2017, 09:16 AM
Ok Ontario...punt the bitch!!!!

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Harbinger
03-24-2017, 09:36 AM
And while we are throwing that old hag out we should send trudeu in her direction.

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ZR
04-03-2017, 12:35 PM
The number of Ontario public servants making $100,000 a year or more has grown by 727% since the Liberals gained government in 2003.

92redragtop
04-03-2017, 01:02 PM
The number of Ontario public servants making $100,000 a year or more has grown by 727% since the Liberals gained government in 2003.

There's even a janitor on the list.

RedSN
04-03-2017, 01:07 PM
$100k is the new minimum wage.

Slick_89_Hatch
04-03-2017, 01:11 PM
I need a raise.